[Ntp] Robert Wilton's Discuss on draft-ietf-ntp-interleaved-modes-05: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)
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Subject: [Ntp] Robert Wilton's Discuss on draft-ietf-ntp-interleaved-modes-05: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)
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Robert Wilton has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-ntp-interleaved-modes-05: Discuss When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ntp-interleaved-modes/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- DISCUSS: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Hi, Disclaimer, I don't know NTP. Thanks for this document, and whilst I agree with Eric that the mechanism is clever, I am less convinced that it is wise. Specifically, I have a deep concern with repurposing fields to have a different meaning with no indication other than heuristics on the field to deduce their true meaning. It feels to me that this pseudo-extension will operationally make NTP harder to manage and to debug issues. I note that Daniel Franke suggested that this extra information be carried in extension fields, but the authors are concerned with the increase in packet size causing problems. I didn't really understand the explanation as to why this would be a problem, in that it is comparing the length between basic and extended packets, but if the extension was negotiated then could all packets use the extension fields and be of the same length? Or is it simply the increase in packet length that is an issue? Alternatively, would it at least be possible to use an extension field to flag that the fields now have a different meaning? Would that allow receivers to discard the packets with an "unknown extension" warning rather than a "the peer seems to be sending me garbage" error. Regards, Rob ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Note, it looks like the wrong shepherd writeup has been uploaded on the datatracker page.
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