Re: [Ntp] [EXT] Need guidance on interpreting NISTIR 8366
Daniel Franke <dfoxfranke@gmail.com> Wed, 12 May 2021 23:11 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Ntp] [EXT] Need guidance on interpreting NISTIR 8366
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> > I think (as we know from politicians): As words don't make the world any > better, words also don't make it worse. Isn't this all just a great > waste of time and energy? > A *great* deal of time and energy has already been spent, fruitfully or otherwise, on various other IETF mailing lists litigating exactly this point. Now that the IESG has issued its statement and NISTIR 8366 represents policy, I would much prefer to just gain the necessary clarifications and then adhere to them in good faith, than to invest further energy into futile relitigation of what has already been decided.
- [Ntp] Need guidance on interpreting NISTIR 8366 Daniel Franke
- Re: [Ntp] [Terminology] Need guidance on interpre… Salz, Rich
- Re: [Ntp] [Terminology] Need guidance on interpre… Karen O'Donoghue
- Re: [Ntp] [EXT] Need guidance on interpreting NIS… Ulrich Windl
- Re: [Ntp] [EXT] Need guidance on interpreting NIS… Daniel Franke