Re: [Ntp] Antwort: Re: NTS4UPTP Rev 03 - Formal request for WG adoption

Heiko Gerstung <heiko.gerstung@meinberg.de> Thu, 03 June 2021 10:30 UTC

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> Von: <kristof.teichel@ptb.de>

> Datum: Donnerstag, 3. Juni 2021 um 09:39

> An: Heiko Gerstung <heiko.gerstung@meinberg.de>

> Cc: "ntp@ietf.org" <ntp@ietf.org>

> Betreff: Antwort: Re: [Ntp] NTS4UPTP Rev 03 - Formal request for WG adoption

> 

>>>At this point I would be open to change the name of the draft so that it does

> not contain "NTS" anymore, if that helps. It seems that quite a number of the au

> thors do not like that we based our proposal on their work and would rather like

> unicast PTP to use something else as a key exchange protocol. [...]

> 

> As one of the editors, I do feel misrepresented here.

> There are five of us, only three of whom have spoken about NTS4UPTP at all, with

> only one who spoke out in rejection.

 

Apologies for that, I based that assumption on a feeling and not on factual data (which is never a good thing IMHO but happens quite frequently in real life :).

 

> I will get back to you (after studying the draft in more detail) on what I think

> about how you based your proposal on our work, but I am perfectly happy that yo

> u did.

Glad to hear that. 

 

> @Daniel: would it change your stance if this draft were not named anything with

> "NTS" at all?

 

>>> It is pretty hard to try and compare our proposal against a bunch of ideas th

>>> at are thrown into the discussion. Most of the proposed alternatives seem simple

>>> and easy to describe with two or three sentences, but when we drafted our propo

>>> sal, we found out (once again) that when you try to describe something in writte

>>> n form, a lot of details and corner cases come up that you have to deal with. In

>>> the end, you often end up with at least 10-20 pages, no matter how simple the i

>>> dea sounds in the beginning.

> 

> Yes, absolutely agree.

> And in those pages, you are pretty likely to stumble over the detail that will m

> ake your draft more controversial than you thought.

For sure, but up until now I cannot say that we actually discussed the draft so far.

 

> This is why I want to clarify that (unless I ever explicitly say so) none of my

> technical discussion, wishful thinking or even design sketching is to be taken a

> gainst the NTS4UPTP draft (or other drafts).

OK, thanks. It sometimes gets confusing if those ideas/new concepts are included in a response to a message that deals with the draft. 

 

Regards,

   Heiko


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