Re: [Ntp] Secdir last call review of draft-ietf-ntp-mode-6-cmds-08

[Brian Haberman <[e-mail]>]

Hi Harlan,

On 6/13/20 8:26 PM, Harlan Stenn wrote:

>> SNMP exists and the NTP WG published RFC 5907 to cover the MIB support
>> needed by NTP. I believe that also counts as a better alternative.
> 
> Unbelievable.
> 
> TTBOMK, the only implementation of 5907 is the one in the reference

Interesting statement... After a cursory search, I found that Cisco
implemented 5907 in 2012.

> implementation, and in the 12 years it has been out there we have had NO
> reports of it being used.  Furthermore, it was implemented USING MODE 6
> PACKETS!
> 

Not sure why you would implement SNMP support via an NTP auxiliary
protocol, but that is your choice.

> The only known SNMP interface to ntpd, ntpsnmpd has not seen significant
> updates since 2010.
> 
> The mode 6 interface to ntpd, ntpq, remains in continuous development
> and evolution.
> 
> Please identify any other implementations of 5907.  If you find any, how
> significant are they?  Are they proprietary 5907 implementations?  What
> implementations to they work on?
> 

I would need someone from Cisco to verify, but it seems like their
implementation is based on 5907.

> Please show how SNMP is a better way to monitor and control NTP than ntpq.
> 
> Please show me a working deployment of SNMP controlling NTP, and then
> please compare the number and quality of these deployments with those
> that do the same with ntpq.

I am not going to dignify that demand with a response. The WG consensus
is the WG consensus.

Regards,
Brian