[Ntp] Antw: Re: Antw: [EXT] Re: Quick review of WGLC for status change for draft‑ietf‑ntp‑update‑registries

Ulrich Windl <Ulrich.Windl@rz.uni-regensburg.de> Tue, 09 August 2022 10:34 UTC

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Subject: [Ntp] Antw: Re: Antw: [EXT] Re: Quick review of WGLC for status change for draft‑ietf‑ntp‑update‑registries
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>>> Harlan Stenn <stenn@nwtime.org> schrieb am 09.08.2022 um 11:11 in
Nachricht
<c109d057-bcce-862a-e264-69523f232fed@nwtime.org>:
> On 8/9/2022 1:02 AM, Miroslav Lichvar wrote:
>> On Mon, Aug 08, 2022 at 06:48:28PM ‑0700, Harlan Stenn wrote:
>>> On 8/8/2022 5:58 AM, Miroslav Lichvar wrote:
>>>> If you allow short extension fields, you will not be able to detect
>>>> whether a request contains an unknown extension field or an Autokey
>>>> MAC using an old cookie. The protocol may be able recover, but that's
>>>> not how things should be done.
>>>>
>>>> Here is an example:
>>>>
>>>> 04 1b 00 14 cc e2 c8 47 71 95 79 64 c4 71 e8 72 7e bf fb cd
>>>>
>>>> Which of the two is it?
>>>>
>>>
>>> More context, please.
>>>
>>> What is that set of bytes?
>> 
>> It's the UDP data following the NTP header.
> 
> I don't do this stuff in my head as well as I used to.
> 
> Is there a symmetric key for keyID 1051?  If so, what hash algorithm was 
> used?

Should the parsing of the packet really depend on knowing what hash algorithm
a specific key ID uses?
It's quite likely that a server receives packets with a key it does not know.

> 
> I'm not seeing that it's a valid EF (either V1 or V2).
> 
> But again, I don't do these things in my head as well as I used to.
> 
> ‑‑ 
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