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Watson Ladd <watsonbladd@gmail.com> Mon, 24 August 2020 17:19 UTC

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From: Watson Ladd <watsonbladd@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2020 13:19:30 -0400
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To: Harlan Stenn <stenn@nwtime.org>
Cc: Ulrich Windl <Ulrich.Windl@rz.uni-regensburg.de>, Rich Salz <rsalz=40akamai.com@dmarc.ietf.org>, "ntp@ietf.org" <ntp@ietf.org>
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Subject: Re: [Ntp] Antw: [EXT] Re: Publication has been requested for draft-ietf-ntp-yang-data-model-09
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On Mon, Aug 24, 2020 at 8:00 AM Harlan Stenn <stenn@nwtime.org> wrote:
>
> On 8/24/2020 3:11 AM, Ulrich Windl wrote:
> >>>> "Salz, Rich" <rsalz=40akamai.com@dmarc.ietf.org> schrieb am 23.08.2020 um 17:18
> > in Nachricht <19E87C71-2E52-48EF-B9AC-9F89700B1938@akamai.com>:
> >>>     So you are recommending publication of a document that has no reference
> >>     implementation?
> >>
> >> It is apparently not uncommon for YANG data models. The IETF, these days,
> >> doesn't have reference implementations.  I hope I don't have to give examples
> >> by way of proof.
> >>
> >> I agree it's not ideal, but I can live with it.  It is, after all, a "data
> >> model" not bits on the wire.
> >
> > But still, an implementation may find some flaws in the model when actually being used ;-)
>
> I see the set of basic data that this document provides access to.
>
> - The described elements are likely minimally useful.
> - A larger set of elements would be significantly better.
> - I see no guidance in the document about how
>   implementation-specific elements should be handled.
> - I see it as a bug that there is no reference implementation.
YANG is thankfully extensible.

It's a bit unusual to have these sorts of debates post-last call.
That's what last call is for.

Sincerely,
Watson Ladd

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