Re: [Ntp] Hard NO: Re: WGLC - draft-ietf-ntp-ntpv5-requirements
Miroslav Lichvar <mlichvar@redhat.com> Thu, 14 December 2023 17:18 UTC
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Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2023 18:16:55 +0100
From: Miroslav Lichvar <mlichvar@redhat.com>
To: Harlan Stenn <stenn@nwtime.org>
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Subject: Re: [Ntp] Hard NO: Re: WGLC - draft-ietf-ntp-ntpv5-requirements
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On Thu, Dec 14, 2023 at 03:16:29AM -0800, Harlan Stenn wrote: > The core "mission" of NTP is time synchronization with a (well) defined > response to a "time impulse". This is the reason why previous NTP > specifications have included the algorithms. Prof. Mills and some others > have done a LOT of testing to ensure reliable and predictable behavior of > time synchronization, in the "normal" and "time impulse" cases over a very > wide range of circumstances. If the RFC 5905 PLL+FLL is so great, why is nothing using it, not even the "reference" implementation in default configuration? ntpd in default configuration has a poor response with longer polling intervals. It suffers from oscillations, which can be sometimes seen even on monitoring graphs of pool.ntp.org. Nobody seems to care. Maybe it's a bug, but after so many years I think we can conclude that Internet will not break if all NTP implementations don't have the "well defined" response. Different algorithms work better in different conditions. NTP should be able to reach best performance in any conditions, so it must not restrict the algorithms. -- Miroslav Lichvar
- [Ntp] WGLC - draft-ietf-ntp-ntpv5-requirements Karen ODonoghue
- Re: [Ntp] WGLC - draft-ietf-ntp-ntpv5-requirements David Venhoek
- Re: [Ntp] WGLC - draft-ietf-ntp-ntpv5-requirements Miroslav Lichvar
- Re: [Ntp] [EXTERNAL] WGLC - draft-ietf-ntp-ntpv5-… Denis Reilly
- Re: [Ntp] WGLC - draft-ietf-ntp-ntpv5-requirements kristof.teichel
- Re: [Ntp] WGLC - draft-ietf-ntp-ntpv5-requirements James
- Re: [Ntp] WGLC - draft-ietf-ntp-ntpv5-requirements James
- Re: [Ntp] WGLC - draft-ietf-ntp-ntpv5-requirements kristof.teichel
- [Ntp] Antwort: Re: WGLC - draft-ietf-ntp-ntpv5-re… kristof.teichel
- Re: [Ntp] WGLC - draft-ietf-ntp-ntpv5-requirements James
- [Ntp] Antwort: Re: WGLC - draft-ietf-ntp-ntpv5-re… kristof.teichel
- [Ntp] Fwd: Antwort: Re: WGLC - draft-ietf-ntp-ntp… Daniel Franke
- [Ntp] Antwort: Re: WGLC - draft-ietf-ntp-ntpv5-re… kristof.teichel
- Re: [Ntp] Fwd: Antwort: Re: WGLC - draft-ietf-ntp… Salz, Rich
- [Ntp] Antwort: Re: WGLC - draft-ietf-ntp-ntpv5-re… kristof.teichel
- Re: [Ntp] [EXT] Hard NO: Re: WGLC - draft-ietf-nt… Hal Murray
- Re: [Ntp] Hard NO: Re: WGLC - draft-ietf-ntp-ntpv… Miroslav Lichvar
- Re: [Ntp] [EXT] Re: Fwd: Antwort: Re: WGLC - draf… Windl, Ulrich
- Re: [Ntp] [EXT] Re: Fwd: Antwort: Re: WGLC - draf… Ira McDonald
- Re: [Ntp] WGLC - draft-ietf-ntp-ntpv5-requirements Steven Sommars
- Re: [Ntp] Hard NO: Re: WGLC - draft-ietf-ntp-ntpv… Dave Hart
- Re: [Ntp] Hard NO: Re: WGLC - draft-ietf-ntp-ntpv… Harlan Stenn
- Re: [Ntp] [EXT] Hard NO: Re: WGLC - draft-ietf-nt… Windl, Ulrich
- Re: [Ntp] WGLC - draft-ietf-ntp-ntpv5-requirements Steven Sommars
- Re: [Ntp] Hard NO: Re: WGLC - draft-ietf-ntp-ntpv… Miroslav Lichvar
- Re: [Ntp] [EXT] Re: Fwd: Antwort: Re: WGLC - draf… James
- Re: [Ntp] WGLC - draft-ietf-ntp-ntpv5-requirements James
- Re: [Ntp] [EXT] Antwort: Re: WGLC - draft-ietf-nt… Windl, Ulrich
- [Ntp] Hard NO: Re: WGLC - draft-ietf-ntp-ntpv5-re… Harlan Stenn
- Re: [Ntp] Hard NO: Re: WGLC - draft-ietf-ntp-ntpv… David Venhoek
- Re: [Ntp] Hard NO: Re: WGLC - draft-ietf-ntp-ntpv… Dave Hart
- Re: [Ntp] Hard NO: Re: WGLC - draft-ietf-ntp-ntpv… David Venhoek
- Re: [Ntp] Hard NO: Re: WGLC - draft-ietf-ntp-ntpv… David Venhoek