Re: [Ntp] Antw: [EXT] Re: Publication has been requested for draft-ietf-ntp-yang-data-model-09

Harlan Stenn <stenn@nwtime.org> Mon, 24 August 2020 21:41 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Ntp] Antw: [EXT] Re: Publication has been requested for draft-ietf-ntp-yang-data-model-09
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On 8/24/2020 10:19 AM, Watson Ladd wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 24, 2020 at 8:00 AM Harlan Stenn <stenn@nwtime.org> wrote:
>>
>> On 8/24/2020 3:11 AM, Ulrich Windl wrote:
>>>>>> "Salz, Rich" <rsalz=40akamai.com@dmarc.ietf.org> schrieb am 23.08.2020 um 17:18
>>> in Nachricht <19E87C71-2E52-48EF-B9AC-9F89700B1938@akamai.com>om>:
>>>>>     So you are recommending publication of a document that has no reference
>>>>     implementation?
>>>>
>>>> It is apparently not uncommon for YANG data models. The IETF, these days,
>>>> doesn't have reference implementations.  I hope I don't have to give examples
>>>> by way of proof.
>>>>
>>>> I agree it's not ideal, but I can live with it.  It is, after all, a "data
>>>> model" not bits on the wire.
>>>
>>> But still, an implementation may find some flaws in the model when actually being used ;-)
>>
>> I see the set of basic data that this document provides access to.
>>
>> - The described elements are likely minimally useful.
>> - A larger set of elements would be significantly better.
>> - I see no guidance in the document about how
>>   implementation-specific elements should be handled.
>> - I see it as a bug that there is no reference implementation.
> YANG is thankfully extensible.
> 
> It's a bit unusual to have these sorts of debates post-last call.
> That's what last call is for.

I mentioned this issue quite a while ago.

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