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+1 for not making historic and "no longer used" until there is a standardized replacement. 

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>>> "Pete Resnick" <resnick@episteme.net> schrieb am 02.06.2020 um 19:17 
>>> in
Nachricht
<14808_1591124438_5ED6A1D6_14808_2895_1_45F5F313-BFC6-48BB-B5A3-D47C48AE87D6@epi
teme.net>:
> This use of the "Historic" status seems utterly bizarre to me. It's 
> certainly not how it's described in 2026.
>
> 1305 has already been obsoleted by 5905. This document simply gives 
> information about what those control messages were and indicates that 
> they ought no longer be used. This sounds like a fine candidate for

"They ought no longer to be used": ... once there is a well-established replacement!

So what to use instead? Mode-6 commands are essential for monitoring the service.

> Informational status. When 5905 (or it's successors) advance to 
> Standard, this document can be included in the STD.
>
> If eventually you want to move a document to Historic, it would be 1305.
>
> I don't think publishing this straight to Historic makes sense.

With the argument given above, I also wouldn't name it "historic".


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