Re: [Ntp] Antw: Re: [EXT] Danny's Review (was Re: draft‑ietf‑ntp‑roughtime‑05: tag change makes implementation more complex)

"Salz, Rich" <> Tue, 05 October 2021 16:10 UTC

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>    That was my point. You can put an ID into the protocol to reference the 
    hashing algorithm used which references an ID maintained by IANA. That 
    way the protocol doesn't change if you need to replace the protocol. 
    It's okay to reference a minimum required protocol in the document 
    provided that can be updated if the algorithm becomes compromised. I'm 
    sure you can find a list of supported hashing algorithms on IANA.

I think you're agreeing with each other.  TLS defines codepoints as places for extension. You can see a list of such points at  The "TLS Cipher Suites" table for example is directly on-point.  Note that every protocol has its own tables.

Historically NTP didn't really have extension points (probably because the concept, and IANA as currently used, didn't really exist back then).  The WG has adopted a draft, that updates and creates the historical extension points.

As for the question of whether SHA-512 should be part of the Roughtime spec, or use a registry and a digest identifier...  The only other Merkle tree document, Certificate Transparency (CT), uses a registry.  (See, Section 10.2.1) and notably it uses SHA-256 as the default.  We could add SHA-512 to the CT registry and then roughtime could just refer to that. It would mean adding a byte to the protocol messages.