Re: [Ntp] [Last-Call] Last Call: <draft-ietf-ntp-yang-data-model-10.txt> (A YANG Data Model for NTP) to Proposed Standard

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On 19/02/2021 15:05, Salz, Rich wrote:
> I thought a Yang model was supposed to be an on-the-wire representation of what the server did. Am I wrong? If I'm right, then the issue around MD5 is with the server, not this doc.

Rich

There are two issues with MD5 and NTP.

One is security, where a crypto-hash is used to authenticate NTPv4 
packets, and the hash specified in the NTPv4 base spec was MD5 but this 
was updated by RFC8573 so that MD5 is now deprecated.  I picked up on 
this in my first review, that the YANG model used MD5 and made no 
mention of its deprecation.  I knew that RFC8573 should be included but 
was unclear whether or not it would be acceptable to still include MD5. 
  Ben, Security AD, said yes, we should, and that is what we now have 
(along with a number of other hash).  My recent comment was that the 
Netconf WG label SHA1 as obsolete so should we include it? and what 
about such as SHA3?  The more options the greater a risk of mismatch but 
that is not an issue I am equipped to resolve, likely one for the IESG 
(much as I hate generating work for them).

The other MD5 usage is generating a 32-bit identifier with a good 
probability of being unique, for entities with IPv6 address, and that I 
see no problem with, as Ben confirmed.  That means that the I-D will 
reference the MD5 RFC, which is Informational and so potentially a 
downref.  Again, one for the AD to resolve (which is why I put it first 
on my previous post).

I shall follow the progress of this I-D through the IESG and will learn 
therefrom.

Tom Petch

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