Re: [nwcrg] [icnrg] low-latency and scalable video distribution

Marie-Jose Montpetit <marie@mjmontpetit.com> Wed, 23 March 2022 10:44 UTC

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Many use cases seem to suggest reasons to bring back coding in QUIC.

mjm

Marie-José Montpetit, Ph.D.
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From: Dirk Kutscher <ietf@dkutscher.net> <ietf@dkutscher.net>
Reply: Dirk Kutscher <ietf@dkutscher.net> <ietf@dkutscher.net>
Date: March 23, 2022 at 6:22:24 AM
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Subject:  Re: [icnrg] low-latency and scalable video distribution

Here is a comprehensive presentation that includes most of the aspects I
mentioned:

https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/113/materials/slides-113-moq-5-range-of-architectures-00

Dirk

On 23 Mar 2022, at 11:19, Dirk Kutscher wrote:

Hello,

in case you missed it, the MOQ (Media over QUIC,
https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/113/materials/agenda-113-moq-06) BOF
at IETF-113 is discussing low-latency video distribution use cases.

The idea is to reduce latency for live streaming, i.e., achieving
interactive conferencing latency without losing scalability.

The current thinking is using either RUSH (
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-kpugin-rush-00) or SRT over
QUIC (meh ;-).

I believe that eventual solutions will have to do with stream
prioritization, "relaxed" congestion control and incorporating the concept
of relays.

Other topics/ideas that came up:

   - application layer multicast
   - local retransmissions
   - content naming

Maybe something to look into from an ICN perspective...

Dirk
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