Re: [nwcrg] I-D Action: draft-irtf-nwcrg-coding-and-congestion-08.txt
Kuhn Nicolas <Nicolas.Kuhn@cnes.fr> Tue, 20 April 2021 07:26 UTC
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From: Kuhn Nicolas <Nicolas.Kuhn@cnes.fr>
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Subject: Re: [nwcrg] I-D Action: draft-irtf-nwcrg-coding-and-congestion-08.txt
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Hello, We have proposed an updated version of the document on coding and congestion. This memo offers a discussion of how FEC coding and congestion control can coexist. This document proposes 5 research questions and 3 research recommendations. If you have any comments, please let us know! FEC coding and congestion control can be seen as two separate channels. In practice, implementations may mix the signals that are exchanged on these channels. This memo offers a discussion of how FEC coding and congestion control coexist. Another objective is to encourage the research community also to consider congestion control aspects when proposing and comparing FEC coding solutions in communication systems. This document does not aim at proposing guidelines for characterizing FEC coding solutions. Cheers, Nicolas - on the behalf of the co-authors -----Message d'origine----- De : nwcrg <nwcrg-bounces@irtf.org> De la part de internet-drafts@ietf.org Envoyé : mardi 20 avril 2021 09:15 À : i-d-announce@ietf.org Cc : nwcrg@irtf.org Objet : [nwcrg] I-D Action: draft-irtf-nwcrg-coding-and-congestion-08.txt A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Coding for efficient NetWork Communications Research Group RG of the IRTF. Title : Coding and congestion control in transport Authors : Nicolas Kuhn Emmanuel Lochin Francois Michel Michael Welzl Filename : draft-irtf-nwcrg-coding-and-congestion-08.txt Pages : 22 Date : 2021-04-20 Abstract: Forward Erasure Correction (FEC) is a reliability mechanism that is distinct and separate from the retransmission logic in reliable transfer protocols such as TCP. FEC coding can help deal with losses at the end of transfers or with networks having non-congestion losses. However, FEC coding mechanisms should not hide congestion signals. This memo offers a discussion of how FEC coding and congestion control can coexist. Another objective is to encourage the research community to also consider congestion control aspects when proposing and comparing FEC coding solutions in communication systems. This document is the product of the Coding for Efficient Network Communications Research Group (NWCRG). The scope of the document is end-to-end communications: FEC coding for tunnels is out-of-the scope of the document. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-irtf-nwcrg-coding-and-congestion/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-irtf-nwcrg-coding-and-congestion-08 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-irtf-nwcrg-coding-and-congestion-08 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-irtf-nwcrg-coding-and-congestion-08 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ _______________________________________________ nwcrg mailing list nwcrg@irtf.org https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/nwcrg
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