Re: [nwcrg] [dtn] Network Coding and SATCOM - call for review
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Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2018 02:35:04 +0000
From: Lloyd Wood <lloyd.wood@yahoo.co.uk>
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Subject: Re: [nwcrg] [dtn] Network Coding and SATCOM - call for review
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Likely relevant to this draft: Can network coding bridge the digital divide in the Pacific?, Spiedel et al., International Symposium on Network Coding (NetCod), Sydney, June 2015. http://arxiv.org/abs/1506.01048 http://dx.doi.org/10.1109/NETCOD.2015.7176795 https://internetnz.nz/sites/default/files/IR201404%20-%20University%20of%20Auckland%20-%20FINAL%20REPORT%20April%202015.pdf https://conference.apnic.net/data/41/apricot-talk_1451964216_1456023873.pdf My take from years of using a very large number of TCP accelerators across satellite links is that: - the performance benefits from the local file/stream/chunk/'object' rapid fetch from Internet side and cached delivery that they offer for the satellite link will far outweigh benefits of network coding across the path and its virtual 'erasure channel' for responsiveness, but that's hard to see from a throughput graph. - the over-satellite-link FEC feature offered is rarely that useful in practice, as channel coding makes it largely redundant. If the PEP accelerator FEC becomes useful, the channel coding needs to be adjusted for the SNR, and that's often a local ACM problem, e.g. heavy rain fade at Ka-band, which the O3b example used in the paper suffers from. - there's a whole bunch of tuning of traffic for the offered satellite link capacity (QoS, prioritisation, shaping, etc) brought to the table by PEPs that network coding cannot consider. Sometimes this gets called 'Orchestration', though that means different things to different communities. oh, draft typo: writting->writing. Haven't had the time to reread and think about the whole draft revision yet. L. Lloyd Wood lloyd.wood@yahoo.co.uk http://about.me/lloydwood ________________________________
- Re: [nwcrg] [dtn] Network Coding and SATCOM - cal… Kuhn Nicolas
- Re: [nwcrg] [dtn] Network Coding and SATCOM - cal… Tomaso.deCola
- Re: [nwcrg] [dtn] Network Coding and SATCOM - cal… Marie-Jose Montpetit
- Re: [nwcrg] [dtn] Network Coding and SATCOM - cal… Kuhn Nicolas
- Re: [nwcrg] [dtn] Network Coding and SATCOM - cal… Tomaso.deCola
- Re: [nwcrg] [dtn] Network Coding and SATCOM - cal… Kuhn Nicolas
- Re: [nwcrg] [dtn] Network Coding and SATCOM - cal… Emmanuel Lochin
- Re: [nwcrg] [dtn] Network Coding and SATCOM - cal… Lloyd Wood
- Re: [nwcrg] [dtn] Network Coding and SATCOM - cal… Marie-Jose Montpetit
- Re: [nwcrg] [dtn] Network Coding and SATCOM - cal… Muriel Medard
- Re: [nwcrg] [dtn] Network Coding and SATCOM - cal… Emmanuel Lochin
- Re: [nwcrg] [dtn] Network Coding and SATCOM - cal… Marie-Jose Montpetit
- Re: [nwcrg] [dtn] Network Coding and SATCOM - cal… Kerim Fouli