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From: Dick Hardt <dick.hardt@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2020 12:32:07 -0700
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Thanks for the suggested text Mike. A little wordy for me, but I agree with
the intention to minimize market place confusion. I'll discuss how to
incorporate with my co-authors.
=E1=90=A7

On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 11:35 AM Mike Jones <Michael.Jones@microsoft.com>
wrote:

> Thanks for the clarifications, Dick.  Here=E2=80=99s my resulting propose=
d
> changes.  Part of my goal here is for people to understand the goals and
> non-goals from reading the abstract.
>
>
>
> In the Abstract, change:
>
> This specification replaces and obsoletes the OAuth 2.0 Authorization
> Framework described in RFC 6749 <https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6749>.
>
> to:
>
> This specification replaces and obsoletes these OAuth 2.0 specifications:
> RFC 6749 and RFC 8252.  It does so by removing portions of them that are =
no
> longer considered best security practices; the portions that remain are
> compatible with the corresponding portions of the specs being replaced.  =
By
> design, it does not introduce any new features to what already exists in
> the OAuth 2.0 specifications being replaced.
>
>
>
> (If you want to list other non-RFCs that you believe that will be
> obsoleted, you can do that too.)
>
>
>
> Add this text to the cited paragraph in Section 2.1:
>
> When this specification does not replace existing specifications produced
> by the OAuth working group or other non-OAuth-working-group profiles of
> OAuth that extend OAuth 2.0 via the IANA =E2=80=9COAuth Parameters=E2=80=
=9D registry
> [IANA.OAuth.Parameters], it is intended that those specifications will
> continue to be used with OAuth 2.1 in the same manner that they are with
> the OAuth 2.0 specifications being replaced.
>
>
>
> The reference for [IANA.OAuth.Parameters] is
> https://www.iana.org/assignments/oauth-parameters/.
>
>
>
> The last sentence =E2=80=93 saying that stuff not explicitly obsoleted is=
n=E2=80=99t being
> changed =E2=80=93 is critical to reducing the marketplace anxiety that th=
is effort
> might otherwise create.  Please make it a goal to remove uncertainty and
> sources of speculation wherever possible.
>
>
>
> Thanks again for the useful discussion.
>
>
>
>                                                        -- Mike
>
>
>
> *From:* Dick Hardt <dick.hardt@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Monday, March 16, 2020 8:36 AM
> *To:* Mike Jones <Michael.Jones@microsoft.com>
> *Cc:* aaron@parecki.com; torsten@lodderstedt.net; oauth@ietf.org
> *Subject:* Re: Clarifying the scope of the OAuth 2.1 spec
>
>
>
> Hi Mike
>
>
>
> I'm aligned on the overall messaging. Sorry I was not clear on my feedbac=
k
> -- it was directed at your suggested text, specifically the terms "OAuth
> 2.0" and "OAuth 2.0 set of protocols"
>
>
>
> FYI: the "new" features, are not new to "OAuth 2.0" per se as they are
> existing specifications -- my point was that they are not features that a=
re
> in RFC 6749. OAuth 2.1 is also NOT a superset of all 22 specifications.
>
>
>
> This paragraph in the 2.1 doc attempts to describe what OAuth 2.1 is and
> is not:
>
>
>
> Since the publication of the OAuth 2.0 Authorization Framework ([RFC6749
> <https://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-parecki-oauth-v2-1-00.html#RFC6749>]) in
> October 2012, it has been updated by OAuth 2.0 for Native Apps ([RFC8252
> <https://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-parecki-oauth-v2-1-00.html#RFC8252>]),
> OAuth Security Best Current Practice ([I-D.ietf-oauth-security-topics
> <https://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-parecki-oauth-v2-1-00.html#I-D.ietf-oaut=
h-security-topics>]),
> and OAuth 2.0 for Browser-Based Apps ([I-D.ietf-oauth-browser-based-apps
> <https://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-parecki-oauth-v2-1-00.html#I-D.ietf-oaut=
h-browser-based-apps>]).
> The OAuth 2.0 Authorization Framework: Bearer Token Usage ([RFC6750
> <https://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-parecki-oauth-v2-1-00.html#RFC6750>])
> has also been updated with ([I-D.ietf-oauth-security-topics
> <https://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-parecki-oauth-v2-1-00.html#I-D.ietf-oaut=
h-security-topics>]).
> This Standards Track specification consolidates the information in all of
> these documents and removes features that have been found to be insecure
> in [I-D.ietf-oauth-security-topics
> <https://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-parecki-oauth-v2-1-00.html#I-D.ietf-oaut=
h-security-topics>
> ].
>
>
>
> What changes would you suggest to this?
>
>
>
> =E1=90=A7
>
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 15, 2020 at 9:01 PM Mike Jones <Michael.Jones@microsoft.com>
> wrote:
>
> I=E2=80=99m glad you like the direction of my comments.  Sometimes saying=
 what
> you=E2=80=99re **not** doing is as important as saying what you **are** d=
oing,
> and I think this is such a case.
>
>
>
> As an example of why this matters, a developer recently asked me =E2=80=
=9CWould we
> have to use a different set of endpoints for OAuth 2.1?=E2=80=9D  We shou=
ld clearly
> scope this work so that the answer is =E2=80=9CNo, you would use the same
> endpoints.=E2=80=9D
>
>
>
> Given that the abstract talks about obsoleting OAuth 2.0, I believe it=E2=
=80=99s
> important for the abstract to say what=E2=80=99s being obsoleted, what=E2=
=80=99s not being
> obsoleted, and what the relationship of the new spec is to the one(s) it=
=E2=80=99s
> obsoleting.  As used in the vernacular by developers, I believe =E2=80=9C=
OAuth 2.0=E2=80=9D
> commonly refers to the set of OAuth 2.0 RFCs approved by this working
> group, which are the set of (currently 22) RFCs listed at
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/oauth/documents/ - as well as at least
> some of the non-RFC specifications that extend OAuth 2.0 via the OAuth
> registries at
> https://www.iana.org/assignments/oauth-parameters/oauth-parameters.xhtml,
> particularly [OAuth 2.0 Multiple Response Type Encoding Practices
> <https://openid.net/specs/oauth-v2-multiple-response-types-1_0.html>].
> I=E2=80=99m pretty sure you intend that OAuth 2.1 keep using much of that=
 widely
> deployed work and not replace it.  You should be clear about that.
>
>
>
> Since you say that there are new features in OAuth 2.1, what are they and
> are they essential to the OAuth 2.1 goals?  Or if they=E2=80=99re not ess=
ential,
> could they more profitably be factored into another specification so that
> the new features can be used either with OAuth 2.0 and OAuth 2.1?  That
> might make the resulting messaging to developers much clearer.
>
>
>
>                                                        Thanks,
>
>                                                        -- Mike
>
>
>
> *From:* Dick Hardt <dick.hardt@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Sunday, March 15, 2020 6:50 PM
> *To:* Mike Jones <Michael.Jones@microsoft.com>
> *Cc:* aaron@parecki.com; torsten@lodderstedt.net; oauth@ietf.org
> *Subject:* [EXTERNAL] Re: Clarifying the scope of the OAuth 2.1 spec
>
>
>
> Hi Mike
>
>
>
> I like where you are going with this, but what do we mean when we say
> OAuth 2.0? Is it RFC 6749? What is the OAuth 2.0 set of protocols?
>
>
>
> OAuth 2.1 includes features that are not in RFC 6749, so it is not a
> subset of that specification.
>
> =E1=90=A7
>
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 15, 2020 at 2:34 PM Mike Jones <Michael.Jones@microsoft.com>
> wrote:
>
> The abstract of draft-parecki-oauth-v2-1 concludes with this text:
>
>    This specification replaces and obsoletes the OAuth 2.0 Authorization
> Framework described in RFC 6749 <https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6749>.
>
>
>
> While accurate, I don=E2=80=99t believe that this text captures the full =
intent of
> the OAuth 2.1 effort =E2=80=93 specifically, to be a recommended subset o=
f OAuth
> 2.0, rather than to introduce incompatible changes to it.  Therefore, I
> request that these sentences be added to the abstract, to eliminate
> confusion in the marketplace that might otherwise arise:
>
>
>
>     OAuth 2.1 is a compatible subset of OAuth 2.0, removing features that
> are not currently considered to be best practices.  By design, it does no=
t
> introduce any new features to what already exists in the OAuth 2.0 set of
> protocols.
>
>
>
>                                                        Thanks,
>
>                                                        -- Mike
>
>
>
> P.S.  I assert that any incompatible changes should be proposed as part o=
f
> the TxAuth effort and not as part of OAuth 2.1.
>
>
>
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr">Thanks for the suggested text Mike. A little wordy for me,=
 but I agree with the intention to minimize market place=C2=A0confusion. I&=
#39;ll discuss how to incorporate with my co-authors.</div><div hspace=3D"s=
treak-pt-mark" style=3D"max-height:1px"><img alt=3D"" style=3D"width:0px;ma=
x-height:0px;overflow:hidden" src=3D"https://mailfoogae.appspot.com/t?sende=
r=3DaZGljay5oYXJkdEBnbWFpbC5jb20%3D&amp;type=3Dzerocontent&amp;guid=3D97bb4=
d45-d907-4cbe-bf37-08b4bd5e569f"><font color=3D"#ffffff" size=3D"1">=E1=90=
=A7</font></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gm=
ail_attr">On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 11:35 AM Mike Jones &lt;<a href=3D"mailto=
:Michael.Jones@microsoft.com" target=3D"_blank">Michael.Jones@microsoft.com=
</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:=
0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">





<div lang=3D"EN-US">
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,32,96)">Thanks for the cl=
arifications, Dick.=C2=A0 Here=E2=80=99s my resulting proposed changes.=C2=
=A0 Part of my goal here is for people to understand the goals and non-goal=
s from reading the abstract.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,32,96)"><u></u>=C2=A0<u><=
/u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,32,96)">In the Abstract, =
change:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:0.5in"><span style=3D"font-fami=
ly:Consolas;color:black;background:white">This specification replaces and o=
bsoletes the OAuth 2.0 Authorization Framework described in
</span><a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6749" target=3D"_blank"><s=
pan style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Consolas;color:rgb(0,102,204)">RFC =
6749</span></a><span style=3D"font-family:Consolas;color:black;background:w=
hite">.</span><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,32,96)"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,32,96)">to:<u></u><u></u>=
</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:0.5in"><span style=3D"color:rgb=
(0,32,96)">This specification replaces and obsoletes these OAuth 2.0 specif=
ications:=C2=A0 RFC 6749 and RFC 8252.=C2=A0 It does so by removing portion=
s of them that are no longer considered best security
 practices; the portions that remain are compatible with the corresponding =
portions of the specs being replaced.=C2=A0 By design, it does not introduc=
e any new features to what already exists in the OAuth 2.0 specifications b=
eing replaced.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,32,96)"><u></u>=C2=A0<u><=
/u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,32,96)">(If you want to l=
ist other non-RFCs that you believe that will be obsoleted, you can do that=
 too.)<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,32,96)"><u></u>=C2=A0<u><=
/u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,32,96)">Add this text to =
the cited paragraph in Section 2.1:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:0.5in"><span style=3D"color:rgb=
(0,32,96)">When this specification does not replace existing specifications=
 produced by the OAuth working group or other non-OAuth-working-group profi=
les of OAuth that extend OAuth 2.0 via the IANA
 =E2=80=9COAuth Parameters=E2=80=9D registry [IANA.OAuth.Parameters], it is=
 intended that those specifications will continue to be used with OAuth 2.1=
 in the same manner that they are with the OAuth 2.0 specifications being r=
eplaced.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,32,96)"><u></u>=C2=A0<u><=
/u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,32,96)">The reference for=
 [IANA.OAuth.Parameters] is
<a href=3D"https://www.iana.org/assignments/oauth-parameters/" target=3D"_b=
lank">https://www.iana.org/assignments/oauth-parameters/</a>.<u></u><u></u>=
</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,32,96)"><u></u>=C2=A0<u><=
/u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,32,96)">The last sentence=
 =E2=80=93 saying that stuff not explicitly obsoleted isn=E2=80=99t being c=
hanged =E2=80=93 is critical to reducing the marketplace anxiety that this =
effort might otherwise create.=C2=A0 Please make it a goal to remove uncert=
ainty
 and sources of speculation wherever possible.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,32,96)"><u></u>=C2=A0<u><=
/u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,32,96)">Thanks again for =
the useful discussion.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,32,96)"><u></u>=C2=A0<u><=
/u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,32,96)">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0 -- Mike<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,32,96)"><u></u>=C2=A0<u><=
/u></span></p>
<div style=3D"border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:none;border-=
top:1pt solid rgb(225,225,225);padding:3pt 0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Dick Hardt &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:dick.h=
ardt@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">dick.hardt@gmail.com</a>&gt; <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, March 16, 2020 8:36 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Mike Jones &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:Michael.Jones@microsoft.com" ta=
rget=3D"_blank">Michael.Jones@microsoft.com</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:aaron@parecki.com" target=3D"_blank">aaron@par=
ecki.com</a>; <a href=3D"mailto:torsten@lodderstedt.net" target=3D"_blank">=
torsten@lodderstedt.net</a>; <a href=3D"mailto:oauth@ietf.org" target=3D"_b=
lank">oauth@ietf.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: Clarifying the scope of the OAuth 2.1 spec<u></u><u></u=
></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi Mike<u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I&#39;m aligned on the overall messaging. Sorry I wa=
s not clear on my feedback -- it was directed at your suggested text, speci=
fically=C2=A0the terms &quot;OAuth 2.0&quot; and &quot;OAuth 2.0 set of pro=
tocols&quot;<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">FYI: the &quot;new&quot; features, are not new to &q=
uot;OAuth 2.0&quot; per se as they are existing specifications -- my point =
was that they are not features that are in RFC 6749. OAuth 2.1 is also NOT =
a superset of all 22 specifications.=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">This paragraph in the 2.1 doc attempts to describe w=
hat OAuth 2.1 is and is not:<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial,sa=
ns-serif">Since the publication of the OAuth 2.0 Authorization Framework ([=
<a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-parecki-oauth-v2-1-00.html#RFC67=
49" target=3D"_blank"><span style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,238)">RFC6749</span></=
a>])
 in October 2012, it has been updated by OAuth 2.0 for Native Apps ([<a hre=
f=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-parecki-oauth-v2-1-00.html#RFC8252" ta=
rget=3D"_blank"><span style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,238)">RFC8252</span></a>]), =
OAuth Security Best Current Practice ([<a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/id=
/draft-parecki-oauth-v2-1-00.html#I-D.ietf-oauth-security-topics" target=3D=
"_blank"><span style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,238)">I-D.ietf-oauth-security-topic=
s</span></a>]),
 and OAuth 2.0 for Browser-Based Apps ([<a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/i=
d/draft-parecki-oauth-v2-1-00.html#I-D.ietf-oauth-browser-based-apps" targe=
t=3D"_blank"><span style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,238)">I-D.ietf-oauth-browser-ba=
sed-apps</span></a>]). The OAuth 2.0 Authorization Framework:
 Bearer Token Usage ([<a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-parecki-oa=
uth-v2-1-00.html#RFC6750" target=3D"_blank"><span style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,=
238)">RFC6750</span></a>]) has also been updated with ([<a href=3D"https://=
tools.ietf.org/id/draft-parecki-oauth-v2-1-00.html#I-D.ietf-oauth-security-=
topics" target=3D"_blank"><span style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,238)">I-D.ietf-oau=
th-security-topics</span></a>]).
 This Standards Track specification consolidates the information in all of =
these documents and removes features that have been found to be insecure in=
=C2=A0[<a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-parecki-oauth-v2-1-00.htm=
l#I-D.ietf-oauth-security-topics" target=3D"_blank"><span style=3D"color:rg=
b(34,34,238)">I-D.ietf-oauth-security-topics</span></a>].</span><u></u><u><=
/u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial,sa=
ns-serif">What changes would you suggest to this?</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><img border=3D"0" width=3D"1" height=3D"1" style=3D"=
width: 0.0104in; height: 0.0104in;" id=3D"gmail-m_223648759844386412gmail-m=
_-7439352492756590189_x0000_i1026" src=3D"https://mailfoogae.appspot.com/t?=
sender=3DaZGljay5oYXJkdEBnbWFpbC5jb20=3D&amp;type=3Dzerocontent&amp;guid=3D=
fc679cd6-56d5-4a6b-81fc-f4e8daad735e"><span style=3D"font-size:7.5pt;font-f=
amily:Gadugi,sans-serif;color:white">=E1=90=A7</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Sun, Mar 15, 2020 at 9:01 PM Mike Jones &lt;<a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:Michael.Jones@microsoft.com" target=3D"_blank">Michael.Jones@m=
icrosoft.com</a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"border-top:none;border-right:none;border-bottom:none;b=
order-left:1pt solid rgb(204,204,204);padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin-left:4=
.8pt;margin-right:0in">
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,32,96)">I=E2=80=99m glad =
you like the direction of my comments.=C2=A0 Sometimes saying what you=E2=
=80=99re *<b>not</b>* doing is as important as saying what you *<b>are</b>*=
 doing,
 and I think this is such a case.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,32,96)">=C2=A0</span><u><=
/u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,32,96)">As an example of =
why this matters, a developer recently asked me =E2=80=9CWould we have to u=
se a different set of endpoints for OAuth 2.1?=E2=80=9D=C2=A0 We should cle=
arly
 scope this work so that the answer is =E2=80=9CNo, you would use the same =
endpoints.=E2=80=9D</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,32,96)">=C2=A0</span><u><=
/u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,32,96)">Given that the ab=
stract talks about obsoleting OAuth 2.0, I believe it=E2=80=99s important f=
or the abstract to say what=E2=80=99s being obsoleted, what=E2=80=99s not b=
eing obsoleted,
 and what the relationship of the new spec is to the one(s) it=E2=80=99s ob=
soleting.=C2=A0 As used in the vernacular by developers, I believe =E2=80=
=9COAuth 2.0=E2=80=9D commonly refers to the set of OAuth 2.0 RFCs approved=
 by this working group, which are the set of (currently 22) RFCs
 listed at <a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/oauth/documents/" tar=
get=3D"_blank">
https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/oauth/documents/</a> - as well as at least =
some of the non-RFC specifications that extend OAuth 2.0 via the OAuth regi=
stries at
<a href=3D"https://www.iana.org/assignments/oauth-parameters/oauth-paramete=
rs.xhtml" target=3D"_blank">
https://www.iana.org/assignments/oauth-parameters/oauth-parameters.xhtml</a=
>, particularly
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color=
:black;background:white">[</span><a href=3D"https://openid.net/specs/oauth-=
v2-multiple-response-types-1_0.html" target=3D"_blank"><span style=3D"font-=
size:10pt;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif;color:rgb(0,102,204=
)">OAuth
 2.0 Multiple Response Type Encoding Practices</span></a><span style=3D"fon=
t-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:black;background:white">=
]</span><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,32,96)">.=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99m pretty sure =
you intend that OAuth 2.1 keep using much of that
 widely deployed work and not replace it.=C2=A0 You should be clear about t=
hat.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,32,96)">=C2=A0</span><u><=
/u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,32,96)">Since you say tha=
t there are new features in OAuth 2.1, what are they and are they essential=
 to the OAuth 2.1 goals?=C2=A0 Or if they=E2=80=99re not essential, could
 they more profitably be factored into another specification so that the ne=
w features can be used either with OAuth 2.0 and OAuth 2.1?=C2=A0 That migh=
t make the resulting messaging to developers much clearer.</span><u></u><u>=
</u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,32,96)">=C2=A0</span><u><=
/u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,32,96)">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0 Thanks,</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,32,96)">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0 -- Mike</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,32,96)">=C2=A0</span><u><=
/u><u></u></p>
<div style=3D"border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:none;border-=
top:1pt solid rgb(225,225,225);padding:3pt 0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Dick Hardt &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:dick.h=
ardt@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">dick.hardt@gmail.com</a>&gt;
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, March 15, 2020 6:50 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Mike Jones &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:Michael.Jones@microsoft.com" ta=
rget=3D"_blank">Michael.Jones@microsoft.com</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:aaron@parecki.com" target=3D"_blank">aaron@par=
ecki.com</a>;
<a href=3D"mailto:torsten@lodderstedt.net" target=3D"_blank">torsten@lodder=
stedt.net</a>;
<a href=3D"mailto:oauth@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">oauth@ietf.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [EXTERNAL] Re: Clarifying the scope of the OAuth 2.1 spec<u=
></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi Mike<u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I like where you are going with this, but what do we=
 mean when we say OAuth 2.0? Is it RFC 6749? What is the OAuth 2.0 set of p=
rotocols?<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">OAuth 2.1 includes features that are not in RFC 6749=
, so it is not a subset of that specification.=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><img border=3D"0" width=3D"1" height=3D"1" style=3D"=
width: 0.0104in; height: 0.0104in;" id=3D"gmail-m_223648759844386412gmail-m=
_-7439352492756590189_x0000_i1025" src=3D"https://mailfoogae.appspot.com/t?=
sender=3DaZGljay5oYXJkdEBnbWFpbC5jb20=3D&amp;type=3Dzerocontent&amp;guid=3D=
f1a4be03-b2a5-4d0b-8d47-79d5f8af410b"><span style=3D"font-size:7.5pt;font-f=
amily:Gadugi,sans-serif;color:white">=E1=90=A7</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Sun, Mar 15, 2020 at 2:34 PM Mike Jones &lt;<a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:Michael.Jones@microsoft.com" target=3D"_blank">Michael.Jones@m=
icrosoft.com</a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"border-top:none;border-right:none;border-bottom:none;b=
order-left:1pt solid rgb(204,204,204);padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin:5pt 0i=
n 5pt 4.8pt">
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">The abstract of draft-parecki-oauth-v2-1 concludes w=
ith this text:<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:Consolas;color:black;back=
ground:white">=C2=A0=C2=A0 This specification replaces and obsoletes the OA=
uth 2.0 Authorization Framework described in
</span><a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6749" target=3D"_blank"><s=
pan style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Consolas;color:rgb(0,102,204)">RFC =
6749</span></a><span style=3D"font-family:Consolas;color:black;background:w=
hite">.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">While accurate, I don=E2=80=99t believe that this te=
xt captures the full intent of the OAuth 2.1 effort =E2=80=93 specifically,=
 to be a recommended subset of OAuth 2.0, rather than to introduce
 incompatible changes to it.=C2=A0 Therefore, I request that these sentence=
s be added to the abstract, to eliminate confusion in the marketplace that =
might otherwise arise:<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 OAuth 2.1 is a compatible subset =
of OAuth 2.0, removing features that are not currently considered to be bes=
t practices.=C2=A0 By design, it does not introduce any new features to
 what already exists in the OAuth 2.0 set of protocols.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Thanks,<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 -- Mike<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">P.S.=C2=A0 I assert that any incompatible changes sh=
ould be proposed as part of the TxAuth effort and not as part of OAuth 2.1.=
<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
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