Re: [OAUTH-WG] updated Distributed OAuth ID

Dick Hardt <dick.hardt@gmail.com> Tue, 24 July 2018 20:21 UTC

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From: Dick Hardt <dick.hardt@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2018 13:21:17 -0700
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I'm trying to understand the use case.

It still is vague. Are you saying that each of these is run by a different
entity, but all trust the bank as the authorization server to manage if the
user has granted permission to use the resource rather than managing it
themselves?

account information, payment initiation, identity, and electronic signature

On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 8:59 AM, Torsten Lodderstedt <
torsten@lodderstedt.net> wrote:

>
> And who is the AS?
>
>
> In case of yes, it’s typically the bank. At Deutsche Telekom, it is the
> central AS/IDP.
>
> Why are you asking?
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 12:50 PM, Torsten Lodderstedt <
> torsten@lodderstedt.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> Am 23.07.2018 um 13:58 schrieb Dick Hardt <dick.hardt@gmail.com>:
>>
>> In your examples, are these the same AS?
>>
>>
>> yes
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 3:42 AM Torsten Lodderstedt <
>> torsten@lodderstedt.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Dick,
>>>
>>> > Am 23.07.2018 um 00:52 schrieb Dick Hardt <dick.hardt@gmail.com>:
>>> >
>>> > Entering in an email address that resolves to a resource makes sense.
>>> It would seem that even if this was email, calendar etc. -- that those
>>> would be different scopes for the same AS, not even different resources.
>>> That is how all of Google, Microsoft work today.
>>>
>>> I don’t know how those services work re OAuth resources. To me it’s not
>>> obvious why one should make all those services a single OAuth resource. I
>>> assume the fact OAuth as it is specified today has no concept of
>>> identifying a resource and audience restrict an access token led to designs
>>> not utilizing audience restriction.
>>>
>>> Can any of the Google or Microsoft on this list representatives please
>>> comment?
>>>
>>> In deployments I‘m familiar with email, calendar, contacts, cloud and
>>> further services were treated as different resources and clients needed
>>> different (audience restricted) access tokens to use it.
>>>
>>> In case of YES, the locations of a user’s services for account
>>> information, payment initiation, identity, and electronic signature are
>>> determined based on her bank affiliation (bank identification code). In
>>> general, each of these services may be provided/operated by a different
>>> entity and exposed at completely different endpoints (even different DNS
>>> domains).
>>>
>>> kind regards,
>>> Torsten.
>>
>>
>