[OAUTH-WG] Re: Nit in section 4 of draft 13 of SD-JWT

[Brian Campbell <[e-mail]>]

At this point, I think it’s best to leave questions of comma placement and
readability to the discretion of the RFC editor.

I clearly lack the authority to officially declare October 25th as ABNF
Day, but I’ll honor it as such from now on. I look forward to celebrating
it (or not) with you in the years to come.

On Fri, Oct 25, 2024 at 2:03 AM Travis Spencer <[e-mail]> wrote:

> "for those that celebrate" should be offset by commas on each side,
>
> https://www.grammarly.com/blog/punctuation-capitalization/comma-with-interrupters/
> .
> The draft is correct in this regard.
>
> I think many readers, however, will read "celebrate ABNF" (missing the
> trailing comma) and get confused because they ended the interrupting
> phrase in the wrong place.
>
> On Fri, Oct 25, 2024 at 9:22 AM Warren Parad
> <wparad=[e-mail]> wrote:
> >>
> >> Little attempts at satire, like this one, that poke fun at the
> occasional absurdity involved in standards development work help me keep it
> together in the face of the occasional absurdity.
> >
> >
> > I totally agree, I've always found the opportunities to add enjoyment to
> the consuming of the specs to be appreciated. I will say that I can't
> actually decide if the comma belongs or not though.
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 25, 2024 at 1:11 AM Brian Campbell <bcampbell=
> [e-mail]> wrote:
> >>
> >> The phrase "for those who celebrate" there is a subtle attempt at a
> little bit of good-natured humor. ChatGPT explains the general phrase
> thusly:
> >>
> >> The phrase "for those who celebrate" is often used to acknowledge that
> not everyone may participate in a particular holiday, event, or tradition.
> It's a way of being inclusive and respectful of diverse beliefs, practices,
> and customs. For example, saying "Happy Holidays to those who celebrate"
> recognizes that while some people may be celebrating a specific holiday,
> others may not observe it or may celebrate different holidays.
> >>
> >> The meaning in the context of this document is to playfully acknowledge
> that some people really like ABNF while others aren't readily familiar with
> it and/or don't find it particularly useful. The former are those who
> celebrate. The latter are those who do not. The document is inclusive of
> all.
> >>
> >> This lighthearted reference also reflects the journey of how ABNF came
> to be included in the document. Seen here:
> https://github.com/oauth-wg/oauth-selective-disclosure-jwt/issues/393,
> there was initially a suggestion that including ABNF would be helpful for
> implementers. Even though this was met with some skepticism about how many
> people would actually find it useful, it was added to the document anyway.
> >>
> >> Of course, if a joke requires explanation, it tends to lose its humor.
> Nevertheless, I remain partial to the text. Little attempts at satire, like
> this one, that poke fun at the occasional absurdity involved in standards
> development work help me keep it together in the face of the occasional
> absurdity.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, Oct 24, 2024 at 1:54 AM Travis Spencer <travis=
> [e-mail]> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Section 4 of draft 13 of the SD-JWT WG document says:
> >>>
> >>> As an alternative illustration of the SD-JWT format, for those who
> celebrate,
> >>> ABNF [RFC5234] for the SD-JWT, SD-JWT+KB, and various constituent parts
> >>> is provided here:
> >>>
> >>> Who are those who celebrate? Those that celebrate birthdays,
> >>> Midsummer, Halloween? I don't understand and think that phrase should
> >>> be deleted.
> >>>
> >>> Suggested alternative:
> >>>
> >>> As an alternative illustration of the SD-JWT format in ABNF [RFC5234]
> for
> >>> the SD-JWT, SD-JWT+KB, and various constituent parts is provided here:
> >>>
> >>> HTH!
> >>>
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