Re: [OAUTH-WG] Refresh Tokens
Anthony Nadalin <tonynad@microsoft.com> Thu, 11 August 2011 20:51 UTC
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From: Anthony Nadalin <tonynad@microsoft.com>
To: Eran Hammer-Lahav <eran@hueniverse.com>, Dick Hardt <dick.hardt@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [OAUTH-WG] Refresh Tokens
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There are no use cases at all in WRAP to help explain choices taken, it does not matter if there were or were not previous issues raised, it is being raised now. From: Eran Hammer-Lahav [mailto:eran@hueniverse.com] Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 1:46 PM To: Anthony Nadalin; Dick Hardt Cc: OAuth WG (oauth@ietf.org) Subject: Re: [OAUTH-WG] Refresh Tokens That's irrelevant given WRAP does not mention anonymity or anything else about refresh token not explicitly addressed already by v2. Your email is the very first time this has been raised on this list. EHL From: Anthony Nadalin <tonynad@microsoft.com<mailto:tonynad@microsoft.com>> Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2011 12:41:28 -0700 To: Eran Hammer-lahav <eran@hueniverse.com<mailto:eran@hueniverse.com>>, Dick Hardt <dick.hardt@gmail.com<mailto:dick.hardt@gmail.com>> Cc: "OAuth WG (oauth@ietf.org<mailto:oauth@ietf.org>)" <oauth@ietf.org<mailto:oauth@ietf.org>> Subject: RE: [OAUTH-WG] Refresh Tokens Anonymity was certainly part of the design for WRAP From: Eran Hammer-Lahav [mailto:eran@hueniverse.com] Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 12:35 PM To: Anthony Nadalin; Dick Hardt Cc: OAuth WG (oauth@ietf.org<mailto:oauth@ietf.org>) Subject: Re: [OAUTH-WG] Refresh Tokens Section 1.5 already covers refresh tokens. There are many use cases for refresh tokens. They are basically a protocol feature used to make scalability and security more flexible. Anonymity was never part of their design, and by the nature of this protocol, is more in the domain of the resource server (based on what information it exposes via its API). In fact, your email if the first such suggestion of anonymity. EHL From: Anthony Nadalin <tonynad@microsoft.com<mailto:tonynad@microsoft.com>> Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2011 11:15:28 -0700 To: Dick Hardt <dick.hardt@gmail.com<mailto:dick.hardt@gmail.com>> Cc: "OAuth WG (oauth@ietf.org<mailto:oauth@ietf.org>)" <oauth@ietf.org<mailto:oauth@ietf.org>> Subject: Re: [OAUTH-WG] Refresh Tokens Many reasons, but none are explained in the specification From: Dick Hardt [mailto:dick.hardt@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 10:51 AM To: Anthony Nadalin Cc: OAuth WG (oauth@ietf.org<mailto:oauth@ietf.org>) Subject: Re: [OAUTH-WG] Refresh Tokens My recollection of refresh tokens was for security and revocation. security: By having a short lived access token, a compromised access token would limit the time an attacker would have access revocation: if the access token is self contained, authorization can be revoked by not issuing new access tokens. A resource does not need to query the authorization server to see if the access token is valid.This simplifies access token validation and makes it easier to scale and support multiple authorization servers. There is a window of time when an access token is valid, but authorization is revoked. On 2011-08-11, at 10:40 AM, Anthony Nadalin wrote: Nowhere in the specification is there explanation for refresh tokens, The reason that the Refresh token was introduced was for anonymity. The scenario is that a client asks the user for access. The user wants to grant the access but not tell the client the user's identity. By issuing the refresh token as an 'identifier' for the user (as well as other context data like the resource) it's possible now to let the client get access without revealing anything about the user. Recommend that the above explanation be included so developers understand why the refresh tokens are there. _______________________________________________ OAuth mailing list OAuth@ietf.org<mailto:OAuth@ietf.org> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/oauth
- [OAUTH-WG] Refresh Tokens Anthony Nadalin
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Refresh Tokens Dick Hardt
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Refresh Tokens William J. Mills
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Refresh Tokens Anthony Nadalin
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Refresh Tokens William J. Mills
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Refresh Tokens Justin Richer
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Refresh Tokens Eran Hammer-Lahav
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Refresh Tokens Anthony Nadalin
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Refresh Tokens Anthony Nadalin
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Refresh Tokens Dick Hardt
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Refresh Tokens Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Refresh Tokens Anthony Nadalin
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Refresh Tokens Dick Hardt
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Refresh Tokens Eran Hammer-Lahav
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Refresh Tokens Anthony Nadalin
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Refresh Tokens William J. Mills
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Refresh Tokens William J. Mills
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Refresh Tokens Eran Hammer-Lahav
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Refresh Tokens Anthony Nadalin
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Refresh Tokens Eran Hammer-Lahav
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Refresh Tokens Anthony Nadalin
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Refresh Tokens William J. Mills
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Refresh Tokens Eran Hammer-Lahav
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Refresh Tokens Eran Hammer-Lahav
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Refresh Tokens David Recordon
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Refresh Tokens Aiden Bell
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Refresh Tokens Barry Leiba
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Refresh Tokens Torsten Lodderstedt
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Refresh Tokens Aaron Parecki
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Refresh Tokens Aiden Bell
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Refresh Tokens Igor Faynberg