Re: [OAUTH-WG] Diversity and Inclusiveness in the IETF
Rifaat Shekh-Yusef <rifaat.s.ietf@gmail.com> Tue, 23 February 2021 22:11 UTC
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From: Rifaat Shekh-Yusef <rifaat.s.ietf@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2021 17:11:03 -0500
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To: Mark Nottingham <mnot@mnot.net>
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Subject: Re: [OAUTH-WG] Diversity and Inclusiveness in the IETF
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On Tue, Feb 23, 2021 at 4:57 PM Mark Nottingham <mnot@mnot.net> wrote: > > > > On 24 Feb 2021, at 2:20 am, Kathleen Moriarty < > kathleen.moriarty.ietf@gmail.com> wrote: > [...] > > And way back when I was AD, OAuth was by far the most productive working > group I managed. They put out what felt like about 3 documents a meeting > for full publication. I was the AD for 3 years, ending in 2017 when EKR > became an AD. > > > > There was a bit of management as a result of the number of experts and > varying use cases for their environments, but even with that, OAuth was > very productive. Since your document was 2016, I was likely the AD. Yes, > the meetings had challenges at times, but we worked through it and things > got done. > > Measuring productivity through the number of documents published is not a > good habit for us to get into; The number of documents published was in response to a comment that "nothing would get done" at the OAuth WG. Which is clearly not true. > it gives incentive to all of the wrong kinds of behaviours. Can you elaborate on these wrong behaviours? Regards, Rifaat > Having some success metrics for our work has come up in the IAB a few > times, but we haven't made much progress. > > Cheers, > > > -- > Mark Nottingham https://www.mnot.net/ > > _______________________________________________ > OAuth mailing list > OAuth@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/oauth >
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