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Thanks to both! I agree this can use more clarity.
I am modifying the figure as in the following, adopting a style closer to 6=
.1 of 7519 and providing a more descriptive caption.

Header:

   {"typ":"at+JWT","alg":"RS256","kid":"RjEwOwOA"}

Claims:

   {
     "iss": "https://authorization-server.example.com/",
     "sub": " 5ba552d67",
     "aud":   "https://rs.example.com/",
     "exp": 1544645174,
     "client_id": "s6BhdRkqt3_",
     "scope": "openid profile reademail"
   }


                       Figure 2: The Header and JWT Claims Set of a JWT Acc=
ess Token



From: OAuth <oauth-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Brian Campbell <bcampbell=
=3D40pingidentity.com@dmarc.ietf.org>
Date: Monday, September 21, 2020 at 08:36
To: Hannes Tschofenig <Hannes.Tschofenig@arm.com>
Cc: "oauth@ietf.org" <oauth@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [OAUTH-WG] Updated shepherd writeup for draft-ietf-oauth-acces=
s-token-jwt-09

I believe the intent of that example was to show the unencoded header and b=
ody content of the JWT. So perhaps all that's needed is to adjust the text =
that introduces the example and the figure title or caption or whatever it'=
s called to reflect that?

On Mon, Sep 21, 2020 at 4:58 AM Hannes Tschofenig <Hannes.Tschofenig@arm.co=
m<mailto:Hannes.Tschofenig@arm.com>> wrote:
Hi all,

I updated the shepherd writeup for draft-ietf-oauth-access-token-jwt-09 and=
 included the links to the implementations distributed on the list. I am su=
re there are more.

While updating the shepherd writeup I noticed that the draft contains a JWT=
 in a style that does not match the format described in RFC 7519.

I was wondering whether we should actually replicate the example in a way s=
imilar to Section 6.1 of RFC 7519 (which shows an unsecured JWT) or, even b=
etter, a digitally signed JWT.

Here is the snippet from the draft:

   {"typ":"at+JWT","alg":"RS256","kid":"RjEwOwOA"}
   {
     "iss": "https://authorization-server.example.com/",
     "sub": " 5ba552d67",
     "aud":   "https://rs.example.com/",
     "exp": 1544645174,
     "client_id": "s6BhdRkqt3_",
     "scope": "openid profile reademail"
   }


                       Figure 2: A JWT Access Token

What do you think?

Ciao
Hannes

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<span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:b=
lack">&nbsp;&nbsp; {&quot;typ&quot;:&quot;at+JWT&quot;,&quot;alg&quot;:&quo=
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<span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:b=
lack">Claims:<span class=3D"apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></span><spa=
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<span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:b=
lack">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &quot;iss&quot;: &quot;<a href=3D"https://au=
thorization-server.example.com/" title=3D"https://authorization-server.exam=
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<span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:b=
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sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Figure 2: T=
he Header and JWT Claims Set of a JWT Access Token</span><span style=3D"col=
or:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From=
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ity.com@dmarc.ietf.org&gt;<br>
<b>Date: </b>Monday, September 21, 2020 at 08:36<br>
<b>To: </b>Hannes Tschofenig &lt;Hannes.Tschofenig@arm.com&gt;<br>
<b>Cc: </b>&quot;oauth@ietf.org&quot; &lt;oauth@ietf.org&gt;<br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [OAUTH-WG] Updated shepherd writeup for draft-ietf-oaut=
h-access-token-jwt-09<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I believe the intent of that example was to show the=
 unencoded header and body content of the JWT. So perhaps all that's needed=
 is to adjust the text that introduces the example and the figure title or =
caption or whatever it's called to
 reflect that? <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Mon, Sep 21, 2020 at 4:58 AM Hannes Tschofenig &l=
t;<a href=3D"mailto:Hannes.Tschofenig@arm.com" target=3D"_blank">Hannes.Tsc=
hofenig@arm.com</a>&gt; wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto">Hi all,
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto">I updated the shepherd writeup for draft-ietf-oauth-access-token-j=
wt-09 and included the links to the implementations distributed on the list=
. I am sure there are more.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto">While updating the shepherd writeup I noticed that the draft conta=
ins a JWT in a style that does not match the format described in RFC 7519.
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto">I was wondering whether we should actually replicate the example i=
n a way similar to Section 6.1 of RFC 7519 (which shows an unsecured JWT) o=
r, even better, a digitally signed JWT.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto">Here is the snippet from the draft:
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot=
;">&nbsp;&nbsp; {&quot;typ&quot;:&quot;at+JWT&quot;,&quot;alg&quot;:&quot;R=
S256&quot;,&quot;kid&quot;:&quot;RjEwOwOA&quot;}</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot=
;">&nbsp;&nbsp; {</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot=
;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &quot;iss&quot;: &quot;<a href=3D"https://autho=
rization-server.example.com/" target=3D"_blank">https://authorization-serve=
r.example.com/</a>&quot;,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot=
;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &quot;sub&quot;: &quot; 5ba552d67&quot;,</span>=
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot=
;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &quot;aud&quot;:&nbsp;&nbsp; &quot;<a href=3D"h=
ttps://rs.example.com/" target=3D"_blank">https://rs.example.com/</a>&quot;=
,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot=
;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &quot;exp&quot;: 1544645174,</span><o:p></o:p><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot=
;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &quot;client_id&quot;: &quot;s6BhdRkqt3_&quot;,=
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot=
;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &quot;scope&quot;: &quot;openid profile readema=
il&quot;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot=
;">&nbsp;&nbsp; }</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot=
;">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot=
;">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot=
;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Figure 2: A JW=
T Access Token</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto">What do you think?
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto">Ciao<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto">Hannes<o:p></o:p></p>
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