[OAUTH-WG] Re: Nit in section 4 of draft 13 of SD-JWT

Warren Parad <wparad@rhosys.ch> Fri, 25 October 2024 07:22 UTC

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Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2024 09:22:16 +0200
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>
> Little attempts at satire, like this one, that poke fun at the occasional
> absurdity involved in standards development work help me keep it together
> in the face of the occasional absurdity.


I totally agree, I've always found the opportunities to add enjoyment to
the consuming of the specs to be appreciated. I will say that I can't
actually decide if the comma belongs or not though.

On Fri, Oct 25, 2024 at 1:11 AM Brian Campbell <bcampbell=
40pingidentity.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:

> The phrase "for those who celebrate" there is a subtle attempt at a little
> bit of good-natured humor. ChatGPT explains the general phrase thusly:
>
> The phrase "for those who celebrate" is often used to acknowledge that not
> everyone may participate in a particular holiday, event, or tradition. It's
> a way of being inclusive and respectful of diverse beliefs, practices, and
> customs. For example, saying "Happy Holidays to those who celebrate"
> recognizes that while some people may be celebrating a specific holiday,
> others may not observe it or may celebrate different holidays.
>
> The meaning in the context of this document is to playfully acknowledge
> that some people really like ABNF while others aren't readily familiar with
> it and/or don't find it particularly useful. The former are those who
> celebrate. The latter are those who do not. The document is inclusive of
> all.
>
> This lighthearted reference also reflects the journey of how ABNF came to
> be included in the document. Seen here: https://github.com/oauth-wg/oauth
> -selective-disclosure-jwt/issues/393, there was initially a suggestion
> that including ABNF would be helpful for implementers. Even though this was
> met with some skepticism about how many people would actually find it
> useful, it was added to the document anyway.
>
> Of course, if a joke requires explanation, it tends to lose its humor.
> Nevertheless, I remain partial to the text. Little attempts at satire, like
> this one, that poke fun at the occasional absurdity involved in standards
> development work help me keep it together in the face of the occasional
> absurdity.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 24, 2024 at 1:54 AM Travis Spencer <travis=
> 40curity.io@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:
>
>> Section 4 of draft 13 of the SD-JWT WG document says:
>>
>> As an alternative illustration of the SD-JWT format, for those who
>> celebrate,
>> ABNF [RFC5234] for the SD-JWT, SD-JWT+KB, and various constituent parts
>> is provided here:
>>
>> Who are those who celebrate? Those that celebrate birthdays,
>> Midsummer, Halloween? I don't understand and think that phrase should
>> be deleted.
>>
>> Suggested alternative:
>>
>> As an alternative illustration of the SD-JWT format in ABNF [RFC5234] for
>> the SD-JWT, SD-JWT+KB, and various constituent parts is provided here:
>>
>> HTH!
>>
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