Re: [OAUTH-WG] draft-parecki-oauth-browser-based-apps-00

[Rob Otto <[e-mail]>]

Apologies if I'm being dim (it wouldn't be the first time!) but how, in
this scenario, do we identify the browser client and authenticate it to the
backend, to associate it with the correct token(s)?

Cheers (and really interesting discussion so far)

Rob

On Sun, 2 Dec 2018 at 07:31, Torsten Lodderstedt <[e-mail]>
wrote:

> the UI is rendered in the frontend, UI control flow is in the frontend.
> just a different cut through the web app’s layering
>
> All Angular apps I have seen so far work that way. And it makes a lot of
> sense to me. The backend can aggregate and optimize access to the
> underlying services without the need to fully expose them.
>
> Am 02.12.2018 um 00:44 schrieb John Bradley <[e-mail]>:
>
> How is that different from a regular server client with a web interface if
> the backed is doing the API calls to the RS?
>
>
> On 12/1/2018 12:25 PM, Torsten Lodderstedt wrote:
>
> I forgot to mention another (architectural) option: split an application
> into frontend provided by JS in the browser and a backend, which takes care
> of the business logic and handles tokens and API access. Replay detection
> at the interface between SPA and backend can utilize standard web
> techniques (see OWASP). The backend in turn can use mTLS for sender
> constraining.
>
> Am 01.12.2018 um 15:34 schrieb Torsten Lodderstedt <
> [e-mail]>:
>
> IMHO the best mechanism at hand currently to cope with token
> leakage/replay in SPAs is to use refresh tokens (rotating w/ replay
> detection) and issue short living and privilege restricted access tokens.
>
> Sender constrained access tokens in SPAs need adoption of token binding or
> alternative mechanism. mtls could potentially work in deployments with
> automated cert rollout but browser UX and interplay with fetch needs some
> work. We potentially must consider to warm up application level PoP
> mechanisms in conjunction with web crypto. Another path to be evaluated
> could be web auth.
>
> Am 01.12.2018 um 10:15 schrieb Hannes Tschofenig <
> [e-mail]>:
>
> I share the concern Brian has, which is also the conclusion I came up with
> in my other email sent a few minutes ago.
>
>
>
> *From:* OAuth <[e-mail]> *On Behalf Of *Brian Campbell
> *Sent:* Friday, November 30, 2018 11:43 PM
> *To:* Torsten Lodderstedt <[e-mail]>
> *Cc:* oauth <[e-mail]>
> *Subject:* Re: [OAUTH-WG] draft-parecki-oauth-browser-based-apps-00
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Nov 17, 2018 at 4:07 AM Torsten Lodderstedt <
> [e-mail]> wrote:
>
> > Am 15.11.2018 um 23:01 schrieb Brock Allen <[e-mail]>:
> >
> > So you mean at the resource server ensuring the token was really issued
> to the client? Isn't that an inherent limitation of all bearer tokens
> (modulo HTTP token binding, which is still some time off)?
>
> Sure. That’s why the Security BCP recommends use of TLS-based methods for
> sender constraining access tokens (
> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-oauth-security-topics-09#section-2..2).
> Token Binding for OAuth (
> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-oauth-token-binding-08
> <https://tools..ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-oauth-token-binding-08>) as well
> as Mutual TLS for OAuth (
> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-oauth-mtls-12) are the options
> available.
>
>
>
> Unfortunately even when using the token endpoint, for SPA / in-browser
> client applications, the potential mechanisms for sender/key-constraining
> access tokens don't work very well or maybe don't work at all. So I don't
> know that the recommendation is very realistic.
>
>
>
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