Re: [OAUTH-WG] Dynamic Client Registration
Torsten Lodderstedt <torsten@lodderstedt.net> Wed, 18 April 2012 19:56 UTC
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Subject: Re: [OAUTH-WG] Dynamic Client Registration
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Hi Eran, thanks for pointing this out. I took a quick look on the document. Seems the I-D combines registration and discovery. I think both should be kept separat. So I would suggest to remove section 5 and the dependency is gone. regards, Torsten. Am 18.04.2012 21:51, schrieb Eran Hammer: > Because it is in the draft the WG is suppose to consider. It's a stated dependency. > > EH > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Torsten Lodderstedt [mailto:torsten@lodderstedt.net] >> Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 12:50 PM >> To: Eran Hammer >> Cc: Hannes Tschofenig; oauth@ietf.org WG >> Subject: Re: [OAUTH-WG] Dynamic Client Registration >> >> Hi Eran, >> >> why do you see a relationship between dynamic client registration and >> discovery? Basically, we don't care so far how a client finds tokens and end- >> user authorization point. Why is this any different for the client registration >> endpoint (or the revocation endpoint)? Or do you have a bigger picture in >> mind? >> >> regards, >> Torsten. >> >> Am 15.04.2012 22:36, schrieb Eran Hammer: >>> Where did I say I'm not interested in this work?! >>> >>> All I was saying is that it would be better to postpone it until the discovery >> layer, which this draft clearly relies upon, is a bit clearer. I would be satisfied >> with a simple note stating that if the discovery work at the APP area isn't >> complete, the WG may choose to delay work on this document until ready. >>> EH >>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Hannes Tschofenig [mailto:hannes.tschofenig@gmx.net] >>>> Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2012 9:01 AM >>>> To: Eran Hammer >>>> Cc: Hannes Tschofenig; oauth@ietf.org WG >>>> Subject: Re: [OAUTH-WG] Dynamic Client Registration >>>> >>>> Hi Eran, >>>> >>>> you are saying that you are not interested in the dynamic client >>>> registration work and that's OK. There are, however, a couple of >>>> other folks in the group who had expressed interest to work on it, to >> review and to implement it. >>>> Note also that the discovery and the dynamic client registration is >>>> different from each other; there is a relationship but they are >> nevertheless different. >>>> Ciao >>>> Hannes >>>> >>>> PS: Moving the Simple Web Discovery to the Apps area working group >>>> does not mean that it will not be done. On the contrary there will be >>>> work happing and we are just trying to figure out what the difference >>>> between SWD and WebFinger is. >>>> >>>> On Apr 15, 2012, at 9:14 AM, Eran Hammer wrote: >>>> >>>>> I'd like to see 'Dynamic Client Registration' removed from the >>>>> charter along >>>> with SWD for the sole reason that figuring out a generic discovery >>>> mechanism is going to take some time and this WG has enough other >>>> work to focus on while that happens elsewhere. I expect this to come >>>> back in the next round with much more deployment experience and >> discovery clarity. >>>>> EH >>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: oauth-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:oauth-bounces@ietf.org] On >>>>>> Behalf Of Hannes Tschofenig >>>>>> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 7:36 AM >>>>>> To: oauth@ietf.org WG >>>>>> Subject: [OAUTH-WG] Dynamic Client Registration >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>> >>>>>> at the IETF#83 OAuth working group meeting we had some confusion >>>>>> about the Dynamic Client Registration and the Simple Web Discovery >>>>>> item. I just listened to the audio recording again. >>>>>> >>>>>> With the ongoing mailing list discussion regarding WebFinger vs. >>>>>> Simple Web Discovery I hope that folks had a chance to look at the >>>>>> documents again and so the confusion of some got resolved. >>>>>> >>>>>> I believe the proposed new charter item is sufficiently clear with >>>>>> regard to the scope of the work. Right? >>>>>> Here is the item again: >>>>>> " >>>>>> Jul. 2013 Submit 'OAuth Dynamic Client Registration Protocol' to >>>>>> the IESG for consideration as a Proposed Standard >>>>>> >>>>>> [Starting point for the work will be >>>>>> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-hardjono-oauth-dynreg >>>>>> ] >>>>>> " >>>>>> >>>>>> Of course there there is a relationship between Simple Web >>>>>> Discovery (or >>>>>> WebFinger) and the dynamic client registration since the client >>>>>> first needs to discover the client registration endpoint at the >>>>>> authorization server before interacting with it. >>>>>> >>>>>> Now, one thing that just came to my mind when looking again at >>>>>> draft- hardjono-oauth-dynreq was the following: Could the Client >>>>>> Registration Request and Response protocol exchange could become a >>>>>> profile of the SCIM protocol? In some sense this exchange is >>>>>> nothing else than provisioning an account at the Authorization >>>>>> Server (along with >>>> some meta-data). >>>>>> Is this too far fetched? >>>>>> >>>>>> Ciao >>>>>> Hannes >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> OAuth mailing list >>>>>> OAuth@ietf.org >>>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/oauth >>> _______________________________________________ >>> OAuth mailing list >>> OAuth@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/oauth
- [OAUTH-WG] Dynamic Client Registration Hannes Tschofenig
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Dynamic Client Registration Eve Maler
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Dynamic Client Registration William Mills
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Dynamic Client Registration Eran Hammer
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Dynamic Client Registration Hannes Tschofenig
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Dynamic Client Registration Hannes Tschofenig
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Dynamic Client Registration Eran Hammer
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Dynamic Client Registration Derek Atkins
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Dynamic Client Registration Torsten Lodderstedt
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Dynamic Client Registration Eran Hammer
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Dynamic Client Registration Torsten Lodderstedt
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Dynamic Client Registration Justin Richer
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Dynamic Client Registration Eran Hammer
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Dynamic Client Registration Igor Faynberg
- [OAUTH-WG] Dynamic Client Registration Hannes Tschofenig
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Dynamic Client Registration Phil Hunt
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Dynamic Client Registration Richer, Justin P.
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Dynamic Client Registration Hannes Tschofenig
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Dynamic Client Registration Hannes Tschofenig
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Dynamic Client Registration Phil Hunt
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Dynamic Client Registration Phil Hunt
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Dynamic Client Registration Richer, Justin P.
- [OAUTH-WG] Dynamic Client Registration Hannes Tschofenig
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Dynamic Client Registration Richer, Justin P.
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Dynamic Client Registration Phil Hunt
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Dynamic Client Registration Richer, Justin P.
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Dynamic Client Registration John Bradley