Re: [OAUTH-WG] draft-ietf-oauth-closing-redirectors has obsolete header for referer control

Brian Campbell <bcampbell@pingidentity.com> Thu, 03 August 2017 16:56 UTC

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Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2017 10:55:30 -0600
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Subject: Re: [OAUTH-WG] draft-ietf-oauth-closing-redirectors has obsolete header for referer control
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No, Chrome only shows the error message deep inside the developer tools
console.

On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 10:51 AM, John Bradley <ve7jtb@ve7jtb.com> wrote:

> No one ever said that browsers are consistent.
>
> I think Chrome has supported a subset of the new header for a while but
> won’t have full support until Chrome 61 gets out of beta.
>
> Is chrome showing a user visible error with the old header?
>
> Easiest thing would be to use the new header and deny access to anyone
> still using IE:)
>
> John B.
>
>
> On Aug 3, 2017, at 12:43 PM, Brian Campbell <bcampbell@pingidentity.com>
> wrote:
>
> Really all I know is that recent versions of Chrome complain that referrer
> is an unrecognized Content-Security-Policy directive, which led me to look
> up the changes and content in my original message.
>
> On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 9:35 AM, John Bradley <ve7jtb@ve7jtb.com> wrote:
>
>> Brian
>>
>> To answer my own question to some extent, this page has support status
>> for the browsers:
>> http://caniuse.com/#feat=referrer-policy
>>
>> It looks like only FireFox supports strict-origin.
>>
>> Most of them support origin.
>>
>> Some like IE, Opera Mini and older versions of Android (4) don’t support
>> Referrer-Policy at all.
>>
>> So I think
>> Referrer-Policy: origin
>>
>> With a note that you still need to use  Content-Security-Policy: for IE
>> and Android (4).  There may be some other OEM provided browsers on Android
>> from Samsung and others that may not have support but they are a small
>> number in general.
>>
>> John B.
>>
>>
>> On Aug 2, 2017, at 6:46 PM, Brian Campbell <bcampbell@pingidentity.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Not sure of the status at this point (it is expired) but the
>> draft-ietf-oauth-closing-redirectors WG document in
>> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-oauth-closing-redirec
>> tors-00#section-2.3 suggests using the Content Security Policy header to
>> limit the information sent in the referer something like this:
>>
>>   Content-Security-Policy: referrer origin;
>>
>> Consistent with the latest draft of https://w3c.github.io/webappse
>> c-referrer-policy/ and according to Mozilla (see
>> https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTTP/Headers/Co
>> ntent-Security-Policy/referrer) the Content-Security-Policy (CSP)
>> referrer directive is obsolete and deprecated. And it looks like
>> Referrer-Policy should be used instead for that purpose (again see Mozilla:
>> https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTTP/Headers/Referrer-Policy).
>> So the draft-ietf-oauth-closing-redirectors document should probably
>> suggest the Referrer-Policy something more like this:
>>
>>    Referrer-Policy: strict-origin
>>
>>
>>
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