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From: John Bradley <ve7jtb@ve7jtb.com>
In-Reply-To: <26F5345A-064F-4330-A274-A90CFC653978@xmlgrrl.com>
Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 23:02:52 -0400
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To: Eve Maler <eve@xmlgrrl.com>
Cc: "oauth@ietf.org" <oauth@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [OAUTH-WG] Implementation Support and Community
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Not that I know of beyond what we have as part of the openID Connect =
testing.  =20
A good number of those tests cover the underlying OAuth 2 flows.

It would not take too much to expand the FEDLAB test harness for more =
generic OAuth tests if there was a demand.

Though without a protocol to apply OAuth to the tests are more of a =
challenge.

John B.
On 2012-08-23, at 10:49 PM, Eve Maler <eve@xmlgrrl.com> wrote:

> Perhaps relatedly, in the UMA group we've been defining feature tests =
for interoperability testing, and since UMA uses OAuth, we wondered if =
any OAuth feature tests exist; we couldn't find any. That might be =
another activity worthy of being taken up by such a community. (Both UMA =
and OpenID Connect are using the OSIS.idcommons.net wiki for interop =
testing.)
>=20
> 	Eve
>=20
> On 23 Aug 2012, at 7:51 AM, John Bradley <ve7jtb@ve7jtb.com> wrote:
>=20
>> The openID foundation is in a position of promoting OAuth 2 now as a =
significant dependency of openID Connect and other work.
>>=20
>> I can ask the board if there is a interest in hosting something =
specific for OAuth 2.  =20
>>=20
>> I agree with Justin, now that the core spec is done there needs to be =
some consideration put to marketing and support by someone.=20
>> This WG has new work items to progress so we probably don't want to =
get bogged down with that in this group.
>>=20
>> I will wait to see the discussion on this here before asking OIDF or =
anyone else if they want to set something up.
>>=20
>> John B.
>> On 2012-08-23, at 10:38 AM, Justin Richer wrote:
>>=20
>>> With the core specs basically out the door and seeing wider adoption =
and publicity, the OAuth community is going to start to get more =
questions about "how do I do X?", and many of these are questions that =
have been answered before or seem "obvious" to those of us who have been =
up to our ears in the spec for the past few years. Nevertheless, these =
are important questions to support for the wellbeing of the protocol =
community, but where should they be asked?
>>>=20
>>> When the OAuth community lived on a simple Google Group, these kinds =
of questions make sense. But I'd argue that the IETF list is not really =
the right place for them. This list, and the IETF in general, seems to =
be best suited for *building* the protocol, not for the *use* and =
*support* of said protocol once it's built.
>>>=20
>>> The problem is that, as of right now, we don't have anywhere to =
point people where they could get a "real" answer.
>>>=20
>>> This opens a larger question of who might "sponsor" or "host" such a =
community. Anything like that needs moderators, and more importantly, =
needs experts willing to answer the questions. Some options I can think =
of:
>>>=20
>>> - Revive the google groups list for these kinds of =
questions/discussions
>>> - Start a new list/forum, linked to oauth.net
>>> - Point everyone to StackOverflow with an "oauth" tag
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>> -- Justin (who is not volunteering himself to host or moderate the =
group)
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> OAuth mailing list
>>> OAuth@ietf.org
>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/oauth
>>=20
>> _______________________________________________
>> OAuth mailing list
>> OAuth@ietf.org
>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/oauth
>=20
>=20
> Eve Maler                                  http://www.xmlgrrl.com/blog
> +1 425 345 6756                         http://www.twitter.com/xmlgrrl
>=20
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