Re: [OAUTH-WG] Update required for bearer token spec

Marius Scurtescu <mscurtescu@google.com> Sun, 30 January 2011 22:42 UTC

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From: Marius Scurtescu <mscurtescu@google.com>
Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 14:45:07 -0800
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Subject: Re: [OAUTH-WG] Update required for bearer token spec
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On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 6:23 PM, Eran Hammer-Lahav <eran@hueniverse.com> wrote:
> As for the open issues: the bearer token scheme name - if it wasn’t clear, I
> plan to use every mean available to me to block the bearer token draft from
> using the ‘OAuth2’ scheme name, and will raise this issue in the WGLC, Area
> Director review, IETF LC, and direct appeal to the IESG if necessary. You
> might consider this childish, but I consider  bearer tokens a disaster
> waiting to happen and will not allow the weakest form of token
> authentication to carry the strongest form of endorsement and perception
> (via the OAuth brand).

I do respect your opinion Eran, but is there consensus around this? If
anything, the consensus seems to be around bearer tokens. As far as I
can tell this is the big selling point of OAuth 2 and all
implementations I am aware of will support it. For all intents and
purposes OAuth 2 is bearer tokens.


> At the end, you might get the scheme name you want, but it will cost you
> significant delays in getting that document published as an RFC and with a
> Proposed Standard designation. So far you have failed to raise any technical
> justification for your insistence of using that name. The only reason so far
> is that it will be less confusing. Perhaps. But will be more damaging.

Such delays would be unfortunate, I truly hope we can sort this out.


> After
> all, why would anyone look at the MAC token specification or other stronger
> authentication schemes, when you offer them the “official” OAuth 2.0 scheme.

That's a good point. What about using a common prefix for all OAuth 2
related scheme names? Something like "OAuth2Bearer", "OAuth2Mac".


Marius