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Subject: Re: [OAUTH-WG] Client authentication on token revocation
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Hi Emond,=20

I tend to agree with your assessment. Revoking bearer tokens without =
client authentication seems to be better than leaving the attacker the =
option to use them to invoke resources.=20

However, if the attacker cannot use the access tokens (e.g. because they =
are sender constrained), the attacker could revoke tokens issued to a =
confidential client as a kind of DoS attack.=20

best regards,
Torsten.=20

> On 20. Aug 2020, at 11:02, Emond Papegaaij <emond.papegaaij@gmail.com> =
wrote:
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> Hi all,
>=20
> We are currently implementing the token revocation endpoint (RFC 7009)
> on our authorization server and do not understand why it requires
> client authentication. When a party (a valid client or not) gets hold
> of a valid access token in whatever way, the least damaging it could
> do with it, is to revoke it. The current spec allows an attacker to
> misuse this token for access to the resource server, but forbids it to
> revoke it. This seems strange to me.
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> Section 5 of RFC 7009 does not help in this either. It starts to
> explain that this authentication is needed to prevent malicious
> clients from guessing tokens, but ends with the fact that if this were
> possible, much worse damage could be done by using the guessed token
> on the resource server. We plan to skip the authentication all
> together and simply revoke any valid token presented. How would you
> recommend we deal with this?
>=20
> Best regards,
> Emond Papegaaij
> Topicus KeyHub
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