Re: [OAUTH-WG] WGLC on draft-ietf-oauth-v2-threatmodel-01, ends 9 Dec 2011
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Subject: Re: [OAUTH-WG] WGLC on draft-ietf-oauth-v2-threatmodel-01, ends 9 Dec 2011
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On 01/05/2012 07:54 AM, Justin Richer wrote: > > However, the contention about native apps that Mike brings up is misleading for one key reason: if the user's browser is compromised (which is the attack vector in question), then all OAuth-backed webapps will *also* be compromised, since the bad party can just grab the data on its way to the screen. And if the user downloads malware masquerading as a good app (which OAuth *can* protect against by using client secrets in some circumstances and trusted callback urls in others), and they approve the bad app, then they're hosed too. There's a big difference between a compromised browser and a native app with an embedded browser. The first is considered harmful and browsers already take steps to insure they do not remain infected through updates, etc. The second is working as intended. | Even so, I do think it's clear from what text we already have. Remember: the reason that I am here at all is precisely because it was *not* clear. It's why I find the belligerence I've been afforded from the beginning so mystifying. Mike
- [OAUTH-WG] WGLC on draft-ietf-oauth-v2-threatmode… Barry Leiba
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] WGLC on draft-ietf-oauth-v2-threat… Barry Leiba
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] WGLC on draft-ietf-oauth-v2-threat… Barry Leiba
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] WGLC on draft-ietf-oauth-v2-threat… Mark Mcgloin
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] WGLC on draft-ietf-oauth-v2-threat… André DeMarre
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] WGLC on draft-ietf-oauth-v2-threat… Phil Hunt
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] WGLC on draft-ietf-oauth-v2-threat… Michael Thomas
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] WGLC on draft-ietf-oauth-v2-threat… Mark Mcgloin
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] WGLC on draft-ietf-oauth-v2-threat… Michael Thomas
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] WGLC on draft-ietf-oauth-v2-threat… Michael Thomas
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] WGLC on draft-ietf-oauth-v2-threat… Phillip Hunt
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] WGLC on draft-ietf-oauth-v2-threat… Michael Thomas
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] WGLC on draft-ietf-oauth-v2-threat… Mark Mcgloin
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] WGLC on draft-ietf-oauth-v2-threat… Michael Thomas
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] WGLC on draft-ietf-oauth-v2-threat… Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] WGLC on draft-ietf-oauth-v2-threat… Michael Thomas
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] WGLC on draft-ietf-oauth-v2-threat… Mark Mcgloin
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] WGLC on draft-ietf-oauth-v2-threat… Barry Leiba
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] WGLC on draft-ietf-oauth-v2-threat… Michael Thomas
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] WGLC on draft-ietf-oauth-v2-threat… Torsten Lodderstedt
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] WGLC on draft-ietf-oauth-v2-threat… Michael Thomas
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] WGLC on draft-ietf-oauth-v2-threat… William Mills
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] WGLC on draft-ietf-oauth-v2-threat… William Mills
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] WGLC on draft-ietf-oauth-v2-threat… Michael Thomas
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] WGLC on draft-ietf-oauth-v2-threat… Eran Hammer-Lahav
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] WGLC on draft-ietf-oauth-v2-threat… Michael Thomas
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] WGLC on draft-ietf-oauth-v2-threat… William Mills
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] WGLC on draft-ietf-oauth-v2-threat… Michael Thomas
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] WGLC on draft-ietf-oauth-v2-threat… Mark Mcgloin
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] WGLC on draft-ietf-oauth-v2-threat… Mark Mcgloin
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] WGLC on draft-ietf-oauth-v2-threat… Michael Thomas
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] WGLC on draft-ietf-oauth-v2-threat… Justin Richer
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] WGLC on draft-ietf-oauth-v2-threat… Michael Thomas
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] WGLC on draft-ietf-oauth-v2-threat… William Mills
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] WGLC on draft-ietf-oauth-v2-threat… William Mills
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] WGLC on draft-ietf-oauth-v2-threat… Michael Thomas
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] WGLC on draft-ietf-oauth-v2-threat… George Fletcher
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] WGLC on draft-ietf-oauth-v2-threat… Mark Mcgloin
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] WGLC on draft-ietf-oauth-v2-threat… Michael Thomas