Re: [OAUTH-WG] Oauth Server to Server

Antonio Sanso <asanso@adobe.com> Fri, 27 September 2013 08:33 UTC

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On Sep 26, 2013, at 2:34 PM, Sergey Beryozkin <sberyozkin@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 24/09/13 13:08, Antonio Sanso wrote:
>> Hi *,
>> 
>> apologis to be back to this argument :).
>> 
>> Let me try to better explain one use case that IMHO would be really good to have in the OAuth specification family :)
>> 
>> At the moment the only "OAuth standard" way I know to do OAuth server to server is to use [0] namely Resource Owner Password Credentials Grant.
>> 
>> Let me tell I am not a big fun of this particular flow :) (but this is another story).
>> 
>> An arguable better way to solve this scenario is to user (and why not to standardise :S?) the method used by Google (or a variant of it) see [1].
> 
> 2-way TLS and Resource Owner Password Credentials should be secure 
> enough, right ?
> 

secure is secure what I do not like of that flow though is the fact that the resource owner should give the AS username/password to the client

regards

antonio

> Cheers, Sergey
>> 
>> Couple of more things:
>> 
>> - I do not know if Google would be interested to put some effort to standardise it (is anybody from Google lurking :) e.g.Tim Bray :D )
>> - I am not too familiar with IETF process. Would the OAuth WG take in consideration such proposal draft??
>> 
>> Thanks and regards
>> 
>> Antonio
>> 
>> [0] http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6749#section-4.3
>> [1] https://developers.google.com/accounts/docs/OAuth2ServiceAccount
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