Re: [OAUTH-WG] client certs and TLS Terminating Reverse Proxies (was Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-oauth-jwt-introspection-response-08.txt)

"Salz, Rich" <rsalz@akamai.com> Mon, 28 October 2019 16:48 UTC

Return-Path: <rsalz@akamai.com>
X-Original-To: oauth@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: oauth@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90FC81200F5 for <oauth@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Oct 2019 09:48:44 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -2.7
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=akamai.com
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xJbn1mipHiIC for <oauth@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Oct 2019 09:48:43 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from mx0b-00190b01.pphosted.com (mx0b-00190b01.pphosted.com [IPv6:2620:100:9005:57f::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4A76B120113 for <oauth@ietf.org>; Mon, 28 Oct 2019 09:48:43 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from pps.filterd (m0122331.ppops.net [127.0.0.1]) by mx0b-00190b01.pphosted.com (8.16.0.42/8.16.0.42) with SMTP id x9SGlZLo009346; Mon, 28 Oct 2019 16:48:38 GMT
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=akamai.com; h=from : to : cc : subject : date : message-id : references : in-reply-to : content-type : mime-version; s=jan2016.eng; bh=QmVBdS5Xlbzv6Dyvc0Zw9RVq8PNSOIwL8HatfPCntQU=; b=kauVUgNI5jrdF+2X3lovwkXLgT37pAVU0DrYV+1CIWk5zhCq0aTfoaNR5vZYLYM0JAr2 2wBBpRXrvtUxdMLzygv7GQJD06mr7iCOlG+lgPAqSZExXGuLvYRieahFbqJV23WqnsVn eU1kdg57j2t4kMPfYn2CIZuk3nnrQQEfIbSy0Kk2gjm1oZMLcaqmnE27ORf8JOUZRl/2 NFhZTNH3F+BxF29N8q+OiWmtlaRfA/Hl+xDDgRjgKlA8qkLZIc/1mtgPkK7gORTu5K9z dJIjlsqDlPTVKV/WOnd/rrylNDcHPrmWjXHRqgnOJgUvACjqLx7UlBbcEYUMt3LRpvti Iw==
Received: from prod-mail-ppoint3 (prod-mail-ppoint3.akamai.com [96.6.114.86] (may be forged)) by mx0b-00190b01.pphosted.com with ESMTP id 2vvb0u331t-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT); Mon, 28 Oct 2019 16:48:38 +0000
Received: from pps.filterd (prod-mail-ppoint3.akamai.com [127.0.0.1]) by prod-mail-ppoint3.akamai.com (8.16.0.27/8.16.0.27) with SMTP id x9SGVx0m021890; Mon, 28 Oct 2019 12:48:37 -0400
Received: from email.msg.corp.akamai.com ([172.27.123.53]) by prod-mail-ppoint3.akamai.com with ESMTP id 2vvhfwu2xp-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT); Mon, 28 Oct 2019 12:48:36 -0400
Received: from USMA1EX-DAG1MB3.msg.corp.akamai.com (172.27.123.103) by usma1ex-dag1mb3.msg.corp.akamai.com (172.27.123.103) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1473.3; Mon, 28 Oct 2019 12:48:34 -0400
Received: from USMA1EX-DAG1MB3.msg.corp.akamai.com ([172.27.123.103]) by usma1ex-dag1mb3.msg.corp.akamai.com ([172.27.123.103]) with mapi id 15.00.1473.005; Mon, 28 Oct 2019 12:48:34 -0400
From: "Salz, Rich" <rsalz@akamai.com>
To: Neil Madden <neil.madden@forgerock.com>, Brian Campbell <bcampbell=40pingidentity.com@dmarc.ietf.org>
CC: oauth <oauth@ietf.org>
Thread-Topic: [OAUTH-WG] client certs and TLS Terminating Reverse Proxies (was Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-oauth-jwt-introspection-response-08.txt)
Thread-Index: AQHVi20DwSDixrsmwUqaChyBzydqk6dtvDgAgAKKHACAACgPAIAAB5+AgAAQz4D//8FmgA==
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2019 16:48:34 +0000
Message-ID: <BE6B1D4A-26CB-42B0-89F9-88588E47E773@akamai.com>
References: <85D42AA1-FF57-4383-BACB-57C5AA32CFAC@lodderstedt.net> <CAEKOcs2gkM3Henz5nS04_EuBQXWWbJU5K02ErP0rnVZXmjxXJQ@mail.gmail.com> <20191021020546.GZ43312@kduck.mit.edu> <CA+k3eCS7pf3wXBkpbXE0AXKUGogo0YcHd8oWfiBfkPB5axGQQw@mail.gmail.com> <8A8B8892-9D16-4210-BC13-47B5D7859976@mit.edu> <20191024170326.GO69013@kduck.mit.edu> <CAGL6epJZtTXKSGFj0BfhF3kd_Z-z2xzOWXOPEKXc5m18Z4L1uA@mail.gmail.com> <CA+k3eCS8VuCfy4XeqYmLuuLK=rLvHsonSZj4i9O11U-mcua9Pg@mail.gmail.com> <CAGL6epKTV5hXqm2-qgUyG-iA90eLu49GjOKeyLcfsn2naTSV5w@mail.gmail.com> <CA+k3eCQ87n4m--nBc+PX7qE727fqA6vM=meEJZxwfnbpJ2dOsw@mail.gmail.com> <CAGL6epJQbVDrAKB+zNAPuaG0+uLxF3HijEE6=vgYaeXxB_2PXQ@mail.gmail.com> <CA+k3eCQbku0V6z2wCM084FW342dY6=_H7mEv6U3sHCDgefkxXA@mail.gmail.com> <E03CD445-39E8-4262-97BE-E0EE11231A63@forgerock.com>
In-Reply-To: <E03CD445-39E8-4262-97BE-E0EE11231A63@forgerock.com>
Accept-Language: en-US
Content-Language: en-US
X-MS-Has-Attach:
X-MS-TNEF-Correlator:
user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/10.1e.0.191013
x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1
x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted
x-originating-ip: [172.19.33.37]
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_BE6B1D4A26CB42B089F988588E47E773akamaicom_"
MIME-Version: 1.0
X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10434:, , definitions=2019-10-28_06:, , signatures=0
X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 suspectscore=0 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=876 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1908290000 definitions=main-1910280162
X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10434:6.0.95,1.0.8 definitions=2019-10-28_06:2019-10-28,2019-10-28 signatures=0
X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 adultscore=0 mlxscore=0 clxscore=1011 spamscore=0 bulkscore=0 phishscore=0 impostorscore=0 malwarescore=0 priorityscore=1501 suspectscore=0 mlxlogscore=864 lowpriorityscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-1908290000 definitions=main-1910280163
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/oauth/T5Gk0V0ihh_fJLYm4zU0F6olTQc>
Subject: Re: [OAUTH-WG] client certs and TLS Terminating Reverse Proxies (was Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-oauth-jwt-introspection-response-08.txt)
X-BeenThere: oauth@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29
Precedence: list
List-Id: OAUTH WG <oauth.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/oauth>, <mailto:oauth-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/oauth/>
List-Post: <mailto:oauth@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:oauth-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/oauth>, <mailto:oauth-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2019 16:48:45 -0000

Sorry for jumping into this late.

Client <--> proxy <--> backend

The C/P side is protected by TLS.  There must be similar protection on the P/B side, such as client-cert, or a signature over the certificate being forwarded, right?