Re: [OAUTH-WG] [apps-discuss] Web Finger vs. Simple Web Discovery (SWD)

[Tim Bray <[e-mail]>]

That might have happened had there been some free high-quality ASN.1
software, instead of slow buggy parsers that cost $50K to license.
It’s always seemed to me that one reason XML took off so fast is that
there were fast robust open-source parsers in C and Java before the
spec was even finalized.

But we digress... -T

On Sat, Apr 21, 2012 at 10:14 AM, Bob Wyman <[e-mail]> wrote:
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> On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 10:41 PM, Stephen Farrell
> <[e-mail]> wrote:
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>> On 04/20/2012 03:40 PM, Michael Thomas wrote:
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>> > Why not MUST ASN.1 while you're at it? JSON has won in case
>> > you'all haven't noticed it.
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>> Well, I also remember when XML won over ASN.1, or
>> was that some RPC thing?
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> Of course, long before "XML won over ASN.1" ASN.1 won over XML's
> predecessor; SGML. Back in the early to mid-80's, when we were defining the
> ISO X.4xx and X.5xx standards, the IBM and Unix crowds were pushing SGML as
> the alternative to the binary encodings of ASN.1. But, Digital and the
> Telcos pushed for the binary encodings and won.
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> These days, XML is just another encoding for ASN.1 since ASN.1 finally
> defined the XML Encoding Rules (XER) a few years back.
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> If we had agreed on ASN.1 years ago, we wouldn't be having these encoding
> format debates every few years. ASN.1 is an "Abstract Syntax Notation" that
> can be mapped to a large number of encoding rules. If we were using ASN.1,
> what we would do is define the "schema" or syntax for data abstractly and
> then specify the actual encoding as a secondary issue. Given that one
> encoding can be translated to another, implementations would be free to use
> whatever encoding was most convenient or appropriate for them. But, that
> would be a different universe than the one we live in today.
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>> Seems like a new format wins
>> about every five years or so, once the last winner
>> gets enough crap added. (JSON pointer seems like the
>> start of a nice slippery slope to me.)
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>> I've no opinion as to what should be MTI here however,
>> just a side comment.
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>> S
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>> >
>> > Mike
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