Re: [OAUTH-WG] OAuth 2.1 - drop implicit flow?
Dick Hardt <dick.hardt@gmail.com> Sat, 07 March 2020 16:06 UTC
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Date: Sat, 07 Mar 2020 08:06:04 -0800
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Subject: Re: [OAUTH-WG] OAuth 2.1 - drop implicit flow?
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How about if we add in a nonnormative reference to OIDC as an explicit example of an extension: "For example, OIDC defines an implicit grant with additional security features." or similar language ᐧ On Sat, Mar 7, 2020 at 5:27 AM Brian Campbell <bcampbell@pingidentity.com> wrote: > The name implicit grant is unfortunately somewhat misleading/confusing > but, for the case at hand, the extension mechanism isn't grant type so much > as response type and even response mode. > > The perspective shared during the office hours call was, paraphrasing as > best I can, that there are legitimate uses of implicit style flows in > OpenID Connect (that likely won't be updated) and it would be really nice > if this new 2.1 or whatever it's going to be document didn't imply that > they were disallowed or problematic or otherwise create unnecessary FUD or > confusion for the large population of existing deployments. > > On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 1:56 PM Dick Hardt <dick.hardt@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I'm looking to close out this topic. I heard that Brian and Vittorio >> shared some points of view in the office hours, and wanted to confirm: >> >> + Remove implicit flow from OAuth 2.1 and continue to highlight that >> grant types are an extension mechanism. >> >> For example, if OpenID Connect were to be updated to refer to OAuth 2.1 >> rather than OAuth 2.0, OIDC could define the implicit grant type with all >> the appropriate considerations. >> >> >> ᐧ >> >> On Tue, Feb 18, 2020 at 10:49 PM Dominick Baier < >> dbaier@leastprivilege.com> wrote: >> >>> No - please get rid of it. >>> >>> ——— >>> Dominick Baier >>> >>> On 18. February 2020 at 21:32:31, Dick Hardt (dick.hardt@gmail.com) >>> wrote: >>> >>> Hey List >>> >>> (I'm using the OAuth 2.1 name as a placeholder for the doc that Aaron, >>> Torsten, and I are working on) >>> >>> Given the points Aaron brought up in >>> >>> https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/oauth/hXEfLXgEqrUQVi7Qy8X_279DCNU >>> >>> >>> Does anyone have concerns with dropping the implicit flow from the OAuth >>> 2.1 document so that developers don't use it? >>> >>> /Dick >>> _______________________________________________ >>> OAuth mailing list >>> OAuth@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/oauth >>> >>> > *CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email may contain confidential and > privileged material for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). Any > review, use, distribution or disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. > If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender > immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any file attachments from > your computer. Thank you.*
- [OAUTH-WG] OAuth 2.1 - drop implicit flow? Dick Hardt
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] OAuth 2.1 - drop implicit flow? Dominick Baier
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] OAuth 2.1 - drop implicit flow? Dick Hardt
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] OAuth 2.1 - drop implicit flow? Brian Campbell
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] OAuth 2.1 - drop implicit flow? Dick Hardt
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] OAuth 2.1 - drop implicit flow? Brian Campbell
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] OAuth 2.1 - drop implicit flow? Brian Campbell
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] OAuth 2.1 - drop implicit flow? Dick Hardt
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] OAuth 2.1 - drop implicit flow? Torsten Lodderstedt
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] OAuth 2.1 - drop implicit flow? Dick Hardt
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] OAuth 2.1 - drop implicit flow? Vittorio Bertocci
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] OAuth 2.1 - drop implicit flow? Jared Jennings
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] OAuth 2.1 - drop implicit flow? Justin Richer
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] OAuth 2.1 - drop implicit flow? Jared Jennings
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] OAuth 2.1 - drop implicit flow? Dick Hardt