Re: [OAUTH-WG] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-ietf-oauth-dpop-04.txt

I'm preparing some slides for a DPoP session tomowwo at the OAuth Security
Workshop https://barcamps.eu/osw2021/ so looking back at some threads like
this one trying to compile a list of issues needing attention. The stateful
handling of server-supplied nonces is one such topic. I was about to add a
topic for Cache-Control but, in doing/thinking about it, I believe that all
cases that would use a DPoP-Nonce response header are already not cacheable
- response to POST, 401 challenge, response to a request containing an
authorization header - so I don't think anything is needed. But let me know
if I'm missing something.

On Wed, Oct 6, 2021 at 1:54 PM Neil Madden <neil.madden@forgerock.com>
wrote:

> Overall I think thus is good, but I have a few comments/suggestions:
>
> I think the stateful handling of server-supplied nonces (ie the client
> reuses the same nonce until the server sends a new one) perhaps needs to be
> clarified with respect to clients making concurrent requests. Especially
> clients using multiple access tokens and/or DPoP keys (eg for different
> users). Is the nonce specific to a particular access token?
>
> And we also need to consider a client that is itself a cluster of servers
> - does such a client need to synchronise nonces across instances? Does the
> AS/RS need to? (I can imagine this getting quite complex with different
> requests from different client machines hitting different AS/RS servers).
>
> I think probably any use of the DPoP-Nonce response header should also be
> accompanied by Cache-Control: private (or no-store) and this should be a
> MUST. I think we’ve also missed that the DPoP header on requests should
> also have Cache-Control: no-store added, at least when not sending the
> access token in an Authorization header.
>
> It seems slightly odd that the WWW-Authenticate challenge for RS
> server-supplied nonces isn’t self-contained, but I don’t see anything that
> says it should be so that is probably ok. (And I can see the consistency
> argument for using the header).
>
> It does seem a shame to pay the cost of a challenge-response roundtrip and
> not to do a key exchange to speed up subsequent requests, but never mind.
>
> — Neil
>
> On 6 Oct 2021, at 17:37, Mike Jones <Michael.Jones=
> 40microsoft.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:
>
> 
>
> FYI, I wrote about the nonce support at https://self-issued.info/?p=2194
> and https://twitter.com/selfissued/status/1445789505902899206.
>
>
>
>                                                        -- Mike
>
>
>
> *From:* OAuth <oauth-bounces@ietf.org> *On Behalf Of * Brian Campbell
> *Sent:* Monday, October 4, 2021 3:11 PM
> *To:* oauth <oauth@ietf.org>
> *Subject:* [OAUTH-WG] Fwd: New Version Notification for
> draft-ietf-oauth-dpop-04.txt
>
>
>
>
>
> WG,
>
>
>
> The collective DPoP co-authors are pleased to announce that a new -04
> revision of DPoP has been published. The doc history snippet is copied
> below for quick/easy reference. The main change here is the addition of an
> option for a server-provided nonce in the DPoP proof.
>
>
>    -04
>    *  Added the option for a server-provided nonce in the DPoP proof.
>    *  Registered the invalid_dpop_proof and use_dpop_nonce error codes.
>    *  Removed fictitious uses of realm from the examples, as they added
>       no value.
>    *  State that if the introspection response has a token_type, it has
>       to be DPoP.
>    *  Mention that RFC7235 allows multiple authentication schemes in
>       WWW-Authenticate with a 401.
>    *  Editorial fixes.
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
> From: <internet-drafts@ietf.org>
> Date: Mon, Oct 4, 2021 at 4:05 PM
> Subject: New Version Notification for draft-ietf-oauth-dpop-04.txt
> To: ...
>
>
>
>
> A new version of I-D, draft-ietf-oauth-dpop-04.txt
> has been successfully submitted by Brian Campbell and posted to the
> IETF repository.
>
> Name:           draft-ietf-oauth-dpop
> Revision:       04
> Title:          OAuth 2.0 Demonstrating Proof-of-Possession at the
> Application Layer (DPoP)
> Document date:  2021-10-04
> Group:          oauth
> Pages:          37
> URL:
> https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-ietf-oauth-dpop-04.txt
> Status:         https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-oauth-dpop/
> Html:
> https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-ietf-oauth-dpop-04.html
> Htmlized:
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-oauth-dpop
> Diff:           https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-oauth-dpop-04
>
> Abstract:
>    This document describes a mechanism for sender-constraining OAuth 2.0
>    tokens via a proof-of-possession mechanism on the application level.
>    This mechanism allows for the detection of replay attacks with access
>    and refresh tokens.
>
>
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