Re: [OAUTH-WG] [Errata Verified] RFC7800 (6187)

"Rob Wilton (rwilton)" <rwilton@cisco.com> Mon, 01 June 2020 13:55 UTC

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From: "Rob Wilton (rwilton)" <rwilton@cisco.com>
To: Barry Leiba <barryleiba@computer.org>
CC: RFC Errata System <rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org>, "mbj@microsoft.com" <mbj@microsoft.com>, Benjamin Kaduk <kaduk@mit.edu>, "ve7jtb@ve7jtb.com" <ve7jtb@ve7jtb.com>, "Hannes.Tschofenig@gmx.net" <Hannes.Tschofenig@gmx.net>, "oauth@ietf.org" <oauth@ietf.org>, Pete Resnick <resnick@episteme.net>, "iesg@ietf.org" <iesg@ietf.org>
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Subject: Re: [OAUTH-WG] [Errata Verified] RFC7800 (6187)
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: iesg <iesg-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Barry Leiba
> Sent: 01 June 2020 14:24
> To: Rob Wilton (rwilton) <rwilton=40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org>
> Cc: RFC Errata System <rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org>rg>; mbj@microsoft.com;
> Benjamin Kaduk <kaduk@mit.edu>du>; ve7jtb@ve7jtb.com;
> Hannes.Tschofenig@gmx.net; oauth@ietf.org; Pete Resnick
> <resnick@episteme.net>et>; iesg@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: [Errata Verified] RFC7800 (6187)
> 
> Further on this:
> 
> In the "editorial" realm, there are two classes of "correct" errata
> reports:
> 
> 1. Trivial and obvious typos, such as spelling "and" as "adn".
> 
> 2. Others, such as a number with transposed digits, which could,
> indeed, be confusing.
[RW] 

This seems entirely reasonable.

> 
> The guideline that we're discussing is meant to separate those out,
> saying that class 1 should go to HFDU, while class 2 might qualify as
> Verified.  Whether a particular report falls into class 1 or 2 is
> usually clear, but sometimes a matter of judgment.  And then whether a
> class 2 report rates Verified or HFDU is also sometimes a matter of
> judgment.  I'm personally happy with leaving that to judgment, rather
> than trying to be overly rigorous about making rules for it.  I'm also
> happy with the idea of clarifying or altering the guidelines, if
> someone wants to make a specific proposal.
[RW] 

Personally, at least for new ADs, I think that it would probably be useful to clarify the guidelines.

I could propose some text, but I think that the first question to answer really relates to the inline-errata output.  It would be nice if spelling and grammatical mistakes were included in the inline-errata, since there seems to be no good reason why they should not be and they may be helpful to a non-native speaker.  If only "verified" errata can be included inline then it might be an idea to classify these as something like "verified, inconsequential".

Thanks,
Rob


> 
> One thing we have talked about is having the RPC handle editorial
> class 1 reports, and we can discuss that again if we like.  Should we
> do that, it might make sense to have a separate handling code for
> those that the RPC resolves.
> 
> Barry
> 
> On Mon, Jun 1, 2020 at 9:16 AM Barry Leiba <barryleiba@computer.org>
> wrote:
> >
> > That's what the "technical" vs "editorial" distinction is supposed to be
> for.
> >
> > Barry
> >
> > On Mon, Jun 1, 2020 at 8:27 AM Rob Wilton (rwilton)
> > <rwilton=40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: iesg <iesg-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Benjamin Kaduk
> > > > Sent: 31 May 2020 05:09
> > > > To: Pete Resnick <resnick@episteme.net>
> > > > Cc: mbj@microsoft.com; iesg@ietf.org; ve7jtb@ve7jtb.com;
> > > > Hannes.Tschofenig@gmx.net; oauth@ietf.org; RFC Errata System <rfc-
> > > > editor@rfc-editor.org>
> > > > Subject: Re: [Errata Verified] RFC7800 (6187)
> > > >
> > > > The new text is clearly the right thing, and there is no need
> > > > to debate it if/when the document gets updated.  "Don't hold
> > > > it; do it now", so to speak -- and noting that (my
> > > > understanding/recollection of) the plan for
> > > > https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/inline-errata/rfc7800.html is that
> only
> > > > verified errata, not those in other states, will be displayed.
> > > [RW]
> > >
> > > If this ends up being the plan, then I think that we may wish to
> modify the RFC guidance, or possibly have two different verified states:
> > >  (i) Verified, could impact implementations
> > >  (ii) Verified, editorial only.
> > >
> > > Certainly, it seems to be makes sense for these sorts of errata to be
> displayed.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Rob
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > (Yes, that link 404s at the moment, I assume a caching issue.)
> > > >
> > > > -Ben
> > > >
> > > > On Sat, May 30, 2020 at 10:55:01PM -0500, Pete Resnick wrote:
> > > > > "Verified", not "Hold For Document Update"?
> > > > >
> > > > > pr
> > > > >
> > > > > On 30 May 2020, at 20:34, RFC Errata System wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > The following errata report has been verified for RFC7800,
> > > > > > "Proof-of-Possession Key Semantics for JSON Web Tokens (JWTs)".
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --------------------------------------
> > > > > > You may review the report below and at:
> > > > > > https://www.rfc-editor.org/errata/eid6187
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --------------------------------------
> > > > > > Status: Verified
> > > > > > Type: Editorial
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Reported by: Pete Resnick <resnick@episteme.net>
> > > > > > Date Reported: 2020-05-26
> > > > > > Verified by: Benjamin Kaduk (IESG)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Section: 7.1
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Original Text
> > > > > > -------------
> > > > > >    [JWK]      Jones, M., "JSON Web Key (JWK)", RFC 7517,
> > > > > >               DOI 10.17487/RFC7157, May 2015,
> > > > > >               <http://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc7517>.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Corrected Text
> > > > > > --------------
> > > > > >    [JWK]      Jones, M., "JSON Web Key (JWK)", RFC 7517,
> > > > > >               DOI 10.17487/RFC7517, May 2015,
> > > > > >               <http://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc7517>.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Notes
> > > > > > -----
> > > > > > DOI has a typo: 7157 instead of 7517.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --------------------------------------
> > > > > > RFC7800 (draft-ietf-oauth-proof-of-possession-11)
> > > > > > --------------------------------------
> > > > > > Title               : Proof-of-Possession Key Semantics for JSON
> Web
> > > > > > Tokens (JWTs)
> > > > > > Publication Date    : April 2016
> > > > > > Author(s)           : M. Jones, J. Bradley, H. Tschofenig
> > > > > > Category            : PROPOSED STANDARD
> > > > > > Source              : Web Authorization Protocol
> > > > > > Area                : Security
> > > > > > Stream              : IETF
> > > > > > Verifying Party     : IESG
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Pete Resnick https://www.episteme.net/
> > > > > All connections to the world are tenuous at best
> > >