Re: [OAUTH-WG] review: draft-ietf-oauth-json-web-token-05

If a claim provides proof then I would call it a credential not a claim

David

On 29/12/2012 01:11, Mike Jones wrote:
> I found the X.1252 definition.  It is:
>
> *6.18 claim *[b-OED]: To state as being the case, without being able to
> give proof.
>
> That seems both a bit vague, and actually incorrect, as the JWT may
> include proof of the veracity of the claim.  Please see the updated JWT
> draft for a hopefully more useful “Claim” definition.
>
>                                                              Best wishes,
>
>                                                              -- Mike
>
> *From:*Mike Jones
> *Sent:* Sunday, December 23, 2012 1:03 PM
> *To:* Jeff Hodges; Nat Sakimura
> *Cc:* IETF oauth WG
> *Subject:* RE: [OAUTH-WG] review: draft-ietf-oauth-json-web-token-05
>
> What is the X.1252 definition?
>
> -- Mike
>
> *From:* Nat Sakimura
> *Sent:* ‎December‎ ‎23‎, ‎2012 ‎10‎:‎09‎ ‎AM
> *To:* =JeffH
> *CC:* Mike Jones, IETF oauth WG
> *Subject:* Re: [OAUTH-WG] review: draft-ietf-oauth-json-web-token-05
>
> Re definition of 'claim', as JWT is supposed to be generic, it may be
> better to go with the definition of X.1252 rather than OIDC.
>
> =nat via iPhone
>
> Dec 24, 2012 2:42、=JeffH <Jeff.Hodges@kingsmountain.com
> <mailto:Jeff.Hodges@kingsmountain.com>> のメッセージ:
>
>>
>> > Thanks for the replies, Jeff.  They make sense.  Particularly, thanks for
>> > the "JSON Text Object" suggestion.
>>
>> welcome, glad they made some sense.
>>
>> similarly, if one employs JSON arrays, I'd define a "JSON text array".
>>
>>
>> > For the "claims" definition, I'm actually prone to go with definitions based
>> > on those in
>> >http://openid.net/specs/openid-connect-messages-1_0-13.html#terminology-
>> > specifically:
>> >
>> > Claim
>> > A piece of information about an Entity that a Claims Provider asserts about
>> > that Entity.
>> > Claims Provider
>> > A system or service that can return Claims about an Entity.
>> > End-User
>> > A human user of a system or service.
>> > Entity
>> > Something that has a separate and distinct existence and that can be
>> > identified in context. An End-User is one example of an Entity.
>>
>> well, it seems to me, given the manner in which the JWT spec is written, one can make the case that JWT claims in general aren't necessarily about an Entity (as the latter term is used in the context of the OpenID Connect specs), rather they're in general  simply assertions about something(s). this is because all pre-defined
> JWT claim types are optional and all JWT semantics are left up to specs
> that profile (aka re-use) the JWT spec.
>>
>> HTH,
>>
>> =JeffH
>>
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