Re: [OAUTH-WG] Token Mediating and session Information Backend For Frontend (TMI BFF)

[Warren Parad <[e-mail]>]

>
> My biggest concern with browser-based applications is that the JavaScript
> / browser has access to the access token (don’t care if it is in-memory or
> local storage) - but this exactly seems to happen in D.

Unless the AS passes the token back in a HttpOnly cookie (which Oauth
doesn't technically support) it will always be available to Javascript in
browser, right?

Warren Parad

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On Sun, Feb 14, 2021 at 1:06 PM Dominick Baier <[e-mail]>
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Just making sure I understand - in your protocol flow diagram step D it
> looks like that the BFF is returning the access token to the front-end. Is
> that correct?
>
> My biggest concern with browser-based applications is that the JavaScript
> / browser has access to the access token (don’t care if it is in-memory or
> local storage) - but this exactly seems to happen in D.
>
> Thanks
> ———
> Dominick Baier
>
> On 12. February 2021 at 21:46:20, Vittorio Bertocci (
> vittorio.bertocci=[e-mail]) wrote:
>
> Dear all,
> Brian and yours truly are proposing a new specification that shows how the
> user agent frontend of a web app can delegate token acquisition and
> persistence to its backend, and request such tokens when needed for direct
> access of protected resources from the frontend code.
>
> The pattern is already in use, in proprietary form, by various modern
> development stacks, such as Next.JS. Variants of the pattern, often
> discussed under the catch-all term BFF (backend for frontend), have been
> often mentioned in this workgroup’s activity, but always left all
> implementation details to the reader.
> We believe the pattern has merit, as corroborated by its growing adoption.
> By delegating access token acquisition to the backend, we avoid many of the
> often brittle moving parts (and implied attack surface) required to acquire
> access tokens from a user agent. The topology also relieves the frontend
> from the need of persisting tokens in local storage, a well known sore
> point of using OAuth directly in JavaScript, by relying on its backend
> storage and session to preserve tokens.
>
> Although the specification is very simple, providing explicit guidance on
> the scenario offers many advantages.
> - It makes it possible to create interoperable SDKs, where frontend dev
> stacks (any JS flavor) can be mixed and matched with compliant backend
> stacks (middlewares in node, java, ASP.NET, PHP etc)
> - It allows us to provide guidance on how to properly tackle the scenario
> and warn implementers against security risks (scope escalations, using
> IDtokens instead of access tokens, etc)
> - It allows us to discuss (and when appropriate, promote) this pattern as
> part of the browser apps security guidance, and position the scenario where
> frontend only calls API on its own backed (hence doesn’t need access
> tokens) simply as a special case of this more general pattern
> - This approach makes mocking and testing apps very easy, possibly
> preventing developers from weakening the security of their system (eg
> turning on ROPG options) or turning to risky practices like scraping
>
> Needless to say, this specification doesn’t entirely eliminate the risks
> inherent to direct use of access tokens from a browser. But reality is that
> the pattern is in widespread use, and the circumstances leading to that (eg
> developers on a particular project only work with frontend stacks;
> components like reverse proxies might not always be viable; etc) aren’t
> going away any time soon. By providing simple guidance on this pattern, we
> can simplify the life of many developers while enshrining basic security
> hygiene in scenarios that would have otherwise be left to their own device.
>
> Looking forward for your feedback!
>
> B&V
>
> On 2/12/21, 12:41, "[e-mail]" <[e-mail]>
> wrote:
>
>
> A new version of I-D, draft-bertocci-oauth2-tmi-bff-00.txt
> has been successfully submitted by Vittorio Bertocci and posted to the
> IETF repository.
>
> Name: draft-bertocci-oauth2-tmi-bff
> Revision: 00
> Title: Token Mediating and session Information Backend For Frontend
> Document date: 2021-02-12
> Group: Individual Submission
> Pages: 16
> URL: https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-bertocci-oauth2-tmi-bff-00.txt
> Status: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-bertocci-oauth2-tmi-bff/
> Html:
> https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-bertocci-oauth2-tmi-bff-00.html
> Htmlized: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-bertocci-oauth2-tmi-bff-00
>
>
> Abstract:
> This document describes how a JavaScript frontend can delegate access
> token acquisition to a backend component. In so doing, the frontend
> can access resource servers directly without taking on the burden of
> communicating with the authorization server, persisting tokens, and
> performing operations that are fraught with security challenges when
> executed in a user agent, but are safe and well proven when executed
> by a confidential client running on a backend.
>
>
>
>
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> submission
> until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org.
>
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