[OAUTH-WG] OAuth 2.1 - recalling ROPC
Francis Pouatcha <fpo@adorsys.de> Tue, 12 May 2020 03:00 UTC
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Subject: [OAUTH-WG] OAuth 2.1 - recalling ROPC
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I am against OAuth 2.1 discarding the use of ROPC (Resource Owner Password Credentials) with the following reasoning: Auth Code Grant: There are many use cases on the market where redirection based flows do not work. As we see in the "OAuth 2.1 - require PKCE?" thread, the complexity of user agents on non controllable client devices still make user agent redirection a challenge. Client Credentials Grant: Requires the registration of an oAuth client. - Citing the iot device use cases Beena which do not have a comfortable way to have iot devices register with AS. - This is a registration flow for the oAuth client role and for the RO (Resource Owner). Remember resource owner credentials might be sourced from system external to the AS like company's LDAP. oAuth Client Credentials are generally managed by the AS. For these reasons, we shall not use Client Credential Grant to manage RO authorization. ROPC: Having an oAuth Client proxy the auth request of the RO to the AS only presents a security risk if the oAuth Client is a third party application. Therefore, the decision on whether to accept ROPC for a specified client shall be left to the AS. Discarding this use case will take a lot of business from oAuth servers back to the old market. Beside this, I mentioned in my previous post that there are use cases in the market where permanent passwords are replaced with one time passwords. A lot of work is also being done in the direction of having the RO send signed proof of ownership to the AS through the ROPC flow using the password field. Therefore, I am ok with raising the attention of implementers the same way we are doing with PKCE, mentioning that ROPC must only be used if AS / oAuth Client can guarantee security of the RO credentials exposed to the oAuth Client. /Francis -- Francis Pouatcha Co-Founder and Technical Lead at adorys https://adorsys-platform.de/solutions/
- [OAUTH-WG] OAuth 2.1 - recalling ROPC Francis Pouatcha
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] OAuth 2.1 - recalling ROPC Jim Manico
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] OAuth 2.1 - recalling ROPC Francis Pouatcha
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] OAuth 2.1 - recalling ROPC Jim Manico
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] OAuth 2.1 - recalling ROPC Aaron Parecki
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] OAuth 2.1 - recalling ROPC Falk Andreas
- [OAUTH-WG] Incorporate or Reference RFC8628 Devic… Phillip Hunt
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Incorporate or Reference RFC8628 D… Aaron Parecki
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Incorporate or Reference RFC8628 D… Mike Jones
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] OAuth 2.1 - recalling ROPC Francis Pouatcha