Re: [OAUTH-WG] Signatures...what are we trying to solve?

[William Mills <[e-mail]>]

 * Is there an example of an OAuth 2.0 server that can't use bearer tokens for protected resource requests and thus requires signatures?

The use case I see for signatures that isn't solved (as well) by tokens is 3 way integrations where  it is useful to manage a secret as a way to manage the business relationship.  I have also seen a lot of cases where the 3rd party doesn't want to go SSL  (I'm not gonna try to justify this, it's just how things have worked that I've seen).

From: [e-mail] [mailto:[e-mail]] On Behalf Of David Recordon
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 9:58 PM
To: OAuth WG
Subject: [OAUTH-WG] Signatures...what are we trying to solve?

If you know me then you'll know that I'm generally one of the last people to talk about Alice and Bob. That said, there are a lot of technical proposals flying across the list with very little shared understanding of the problem(s) we're trying to solve.

>From what I've seen there are two distinct classes of signature use cases.
1) The first is where the HTTP request parameters must be part of the signature. An example is any OAuth 1.0a style API where you want to make sure that the HTTP POST your server just received isn't masquerading itself as a GET.
2) The second is where the HTTP request is orthogonal. An example is OpenSocial where the server is sending state information to the client such as what user is currently logged in.

The main practical example I have of the first use case is what Twitter wants to do with redelegation. In this case TweetDeck can't given TwitPic it's own bearer token, but needs to sign the POST request and pass that signature to TwitPic for it to include in the final API request to Twitter.

In terms of signing protected resource requests, I haven't heard anyone bring up specific and detailed needs for this recently.

JSON tokens pretty clearly make sense for the second class of signature use cases and it's actually a bit hard to argue why they would be a part of OAuth. Facebook shipped this a bit over a month ago for canvas applications. We include a `signed_request` parameter which is signature.base64url(JSON). Parsing it is 18 lines of PHP. http://developers.facebook.com/docs/authentication/canvas

This second class of use case will also be required by OpenID Connect where the server is signing identity information and sending it to the client. I imagine that OpenSocial will also still have it and wish to continue relying on public key algorithms.

So a few questions:
 * Do we want to tackle both of these classes of signatures in OAuth?
 * Why do you consider the second class part of OAuth versus something completely separate that might happen to include an OAuth access token?
 * Is the Twitter redelegation use case the right focus for the first class?
 * Is there an example of an OAuth 2.0 server that can't use bearer tokens for protected resource requests and thus requires signatures?

Thanks,
--David