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Re: [OAUTH-WG] Web Finger vs. Simple Web Discovery (SWD)

Mike Jones <Michael.Jones@microsoft.com> Fri, 13 April 2012 22:58 UTC

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From: Mike Jones <Michael.Jones@microsoft.com>
To: Blaine Cook <romeda@gmail.com>
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Thanks Blaine.  I appreciate it, and I’m sorry for any misstatements in my note.  Yes, we both agree on how important this and I look forward to working with you to make it happen!

                                                                Best wishes,
                                                                -- Mike

From: Blaine Cook [mailto:romeda@gmail.com]
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Subject: Re: [OAUTH-WG] Web Finger vs. Simple Web Discovery (SWD)

On 13 April 2012 12:18, Mike Jones <Michael.Jones@microsoft.com<mailto:Michael.Jones@microsoft.com>> wrote:
Hi Blaine.  I must admit, I’m pretty surprised by the tone of your reply.  I’ll say up front that I have absolutely no problem with anyone disagreeing with me on a technical or tactical basis.  If you think I’m wrong, have at it.

But I am pretty shocked that you would decide to impugn my motives.  We’ve only met twice and both times I thought we had really useful and productive discussions about how to move digital identity on the Web forward – something I believe that we’re both passionate about.  You don’t really know me, though, which is apparent from your remarks below.  I believe that those who have worked with me for years would vouch that I am a forthright and evenhanded standards participant who listens to all points of view, tries to build a consensus that works, and produce quality results.

I thought about your note overnight and whether I should reply at all.  I’m fine with give and take, but I believe that I need to say that if you read what you wrote below, I think you’ll agree that the tone you used was counter-productive and an apology is in order.

I'm sorry for any offensive comments or tone on my part. I was really taken aback by your comments, because we have had those conversations about Webfinger/SWD, and your technical commentary seemed to me to attempt to intentionally undermine webfinger in ways that I couldn't fathom, given the things we've previously discussed in person.

I look forward to moving ahead with future discussions on SWD/Webfinger (frankly, SWD is a better name. ;-) ) in the apps area, and hope that my irate tone hasn't caused any permanent rift. I think we both agree that this work is incredibly important for the future of the web, and I'm hopeful that we can build the best mechanism to provide that future.

Best,

b.

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