Re: [OAUTH-WG] third party applications
William Denniss <wdenniss@google.com> Wed, 02 September 2020 03:58 UTC
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Subject: Re: [OAUTH-WG] third party applications
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+1 to drop the "third party", there are valid first party use-cases. On the subject, in first party cases the access may not be all that "limited", I wonder if it should read more genericly "an application to obtain access to an HTTP service"? On Tue, Sep 1, 2020 at 5:20 PM Dima Postnikov <dima@postnikov.net> wrote: > Good point Denis, thanks > > The OAuth 2.1 authorization framework enables a*n* *third-party* application to obtain limited access to an HTTP service, either on > behalf of a resource owner by orchestrating an approval interaction > between the resource owner and the HTTP service, or by allowing the > *third-party* application to obtain access on its own behalf. This > specification replaces and obsoletes the OAuth 2.0 Authorization > Framework described in RFC 6749 <https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6749>. > > > And an additional section is required to describe scenarios where this framework works well and scenarios when it doesn't. > > > On Wed, Sep 2, 2020 at 12:57 AM Denis <denis.ietf@free.fr> wrote: > >> Hello Dima, >> >> Not exactly. >> >> Change : >> >> or by allowing the third-party application >> >> into: >> >> or by allowing the application >> >> >> Denis >> >> Thank everyone for your feedback. >> >> So the abstract could look like this: >> >> The OAuth 2.1 authorization framework enables a*n* *third-party* application to obtain limited access to an HTTP service, either on >> behalf of a resource owner by orchestrating an approval interaction >> between the resource owner and the HTTP service, or by allowing the >> third-party application to obtain access on its own behalf. This >> specification replaces and obsoletes the OAuth 2.0 Authorization >> Framework described in RFC 6749 <https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6749>. >> >> And an additional section is required to describe scenarios where this framework works well and scenarios when it doesn't. >> >> >> On Sat, Aug 29, 2020 at 2:37 AM Aaron Parecki <aaron@parecki.com> wrote: >> >>> I agree. While the original motivations for OAuth were to support >>> third-party apps, it's proven to be useful in many other kinds of >>> situations as well, even when it's a "first-party" app but the OAuth server >>> is operated by a different organization than the APIs. I don't think the >>> abstract needs any qualification on this and would only confuse people >>> further. Any clarifications of which situations are appropriate for using >>> OAuth could be explored in a different section in the spec. >>> >>> Aaron Parecki >>> >>> On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 3:02 AM Torsten Lodderstedt <torsten= >>> 40lodderstedt.net@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote: >>> >>>> I agree. OAuth works for 3rd as well as 1st parties as well. >>>> >>>> > On 28. Aug 2020, at 05:26, Dima Postnikov <dima@postnikov.net> wrote: >>>> > >>>> > Hi, >>>> > >>>> > Can "third-party" term be removed from the specification? >>>> > >>>> > The standard and associated best practices apply to other >>>> applications that act on behalf of a resource owner, too (internal, >>>> "first-party" and etc). >>>> > >>>> > Regards, >>>> > >>>> > Dima >>>> > >>>> > The OAuth 2.1 authorization framework enables a third-party >>>> > >>>> > application to obtain limited access to an HTTP service, either on >>>> > behalf of a resource owner by orchestrating an approval interaction >>>> > between the resource owner and the HTTP service, or by allowing the >>>> > third-party application to obtain access on its own behalf. This >>>> > specification replaces and obsoletes the OAuth 2.0 Authorization >>>> > Framework described in >>>> > RFC 6749. >>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>> > OAuth mailing list >>>> > OAuth@ietf.org >>>> > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/oauth >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> OAuth mailing list >>>> OAuth@ietf.org >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/oauth >>>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> OAuth mailing listOAuth@ietf.orghttps://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/oauth >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> OAuth mailing list >> OAuth@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/oauth >> > _______________________________________________ > OAuth mailing list > OAuth@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/oauth >
- [OAUTH-WG] third party applications Dima Postnikov
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] third party applications Torsten Lodderstedt
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] third party applications Dick Hardt
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] third party applications Torsten Lodderstedt
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] third party applications Dick Hardt
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] third party applications Torsten Lodderstedt
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] third party applications Jim Manico
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] third party applications Jeff Craig
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] third party applications Aaron Parecki
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] third party applications Dima Postnikov
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] third party applications Denis
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] third party applications Dima Postnikov
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] third party applications William Denniss
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] third party applications Torsten Lodderstedt
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] third party applications Jeff Craig
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] third party applications Dima Postnikov