Re: [OAUTH-WG] proposal for signatures

"William Mills" <wmills@yahoo-inc.com> Fri, 25 June 2010 18:37 UTC

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From: William Mills <wmills@yahoo-inc.com>
To: Breno <breno.demedeiros@gmail.com>, Luke Shepard <lshepard@facebook.com>
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+1 for optional 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: oauth-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:oauth-bounces@ietf.org] 
> On Behalf Of Breno
> Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 11:02 AM
> To: Luke Shepard
> Cc: Hannes.Tschofenig@gmx.net; OAuth WG
> Subject: Re: [OAUTH-WG] proposal for signatures
> 
> On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 10:51 AM, Luke Shepard 
> <lshepard@facebook.com> wrote:
> >> What's the purpose of leaving out the key ID?
> > It's one more field that developers have to learn and 
> configure and type in.
> > We should keep the simple case simple, while allowing for 
> more complex 
> > cases. I think the fact that many providers now offer only 
> a single, 
> > shared secret is an indication that the key ID is not required.
> 
> Are you arguing here that the key_id should be an optional 
> field, or that it should not be part of the specification at all?
> 
> > On Jun 25, 2010, at 7:40 AM, Breno wrote:
> >
> > Key ids are an optimization in the case of rotating public 
> keys, but 
> > pretty much an operational requirement if you wish to support 
> > automatic rotation of shared keys.
> >
> > On Jun 23, 2010 2:56 AM, "Ben Laurie" <benl@google.com> wrote:
> >
> > On 22 June 2010 21:45, David Recordon <recordond@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Hey Dick, in answering my quest...
> >
> > I don't understand why they are unnecessary no matter how keys are
> > managed: if there's ever a possibility that you might have 
> more than 
> > one key for someone, then key IDs are a useful optimisation.
> >
> > Put it another way: what's the purpose of leaving out the key ID?
> >
> >> And yes, Applied Cryptography is worth reading. :)
> >>
> >> --David
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 12:5...
> >
> > <ATT00001..txt>
> >
> 
> 
> 
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> Breno de Medeiros
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