[OAUTH-WG] Re: PKCE RFC 7636 and registered URLs
Thomas Broyer <t.broyer@gmail.com> Tue, 01 October 2024 11:46 UTC
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From: Thomas Broyer <t.broyer@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2024 13:45:54 +0200
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Subject: [OAUTH-WG] Re: PKCE RFC 7636 and registered URLs
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Fwiw, RFC 8252 (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc8252) also talks about “claimed "https" scheme URIs”. And OAuth 2.1 ( https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-oauth-v2-1-11) will consolidate all those RFCs into one. On Tue, Oct 1, 2024 at 11:45 AM <Axel.Nennker@telekom.de> wrote: > Hi, > > > > is this sentence in the introduction of RFC 7636 > <https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc7636> still true? > “The Redirection Endpoint URI in this case *typically* uses a custom URI > > scheme.” > > > > I think mobile applications should be registered by the developer for > their domain. > > If the developer has control over their backend/webserver they can easily > setup up .well-known files for Android and iOS to find that binds the > mobile app to that domain. > > Example by DT/TDG: > > https://www.telekom.de/.well-known/apple-app-site-association > > The appId is bound to the paths at that domain. > > Android also allows an app to bind itself to an URL > > https://developer.android.com/training/app-links/verify-android-applinks > > > > Is the word “typically” still true nine years after rfc7636 was written? > > > > I suggest removing the word “typically” in the introduction and adding a > security section that recommends registering the mobile app for an URL. > > > > 7.6 Registering the mobile app for an URL > > Major operating systems and app store management systems allow the > registration of an URL to a mobile app. > > With an URL registered to the mobile app an attacker cannot register their > malicious app for the same URL as the mobile app. > > It is RECOMMENDED that the developer of the mobile app binds the app to an > URL. > > > > Or are these url-binding-to-app mechanisms of Android and iOS too > proprietary? I would not mention them by name in an RFC. > > But the majority of (native) mobile apps can register their URL and I > think the RFC should mention this security measure. > > > > Also, I am wondering why this mechanism is not mentioned in > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-parecki-oauth-first-party-apps/ > > I probably missed discussion on the mailing list. > > I found some mention of universal link e.g. > https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/oauth/cN0uYaEd5uOLEprCwc-0wJjKJfs/ > in 2020 but these discussion did not lead to anything in RFCs or drafts. > > Why? > > I think that if developers can register an URL to their native mobile app > then they should do that. > > > > Kind regards > > Axel > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > OAuth mailing list -- oauth@ietf.org > To unsubscribe send an email to oauth-leave@ietf.org > -- Thomas Broyer /tɔ.ma.bʁwa.je/ <http://xn--nna.ma.xn--bwa-xxb.je/>
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- [OAUTH-WG] Re: Invitation: OAuth WG Virtual Inter… Brock Allen
- [OAUTH-WG] Re: Invitation: OAuth WG Virtual Inter… Sam Goto
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- [OAUTH-WG] Re: Invitation: OAuth WG Virtual Inter… Tom Jones
- [OAUTH-WG] Re: Invitation: OAuth WG Virtual Inter… Tom Jones
- [OAUTH-WG] Re: Invitation: OAuth WG Virtual Inter… Sam Goto
- [OAUTH-WG] PKCE RFC 7636 and registered URLs Axel.Nennker
- [OAUTH-WG] Re: Invitation: OAuth WG Virtual Inter… Sam Goto
- [OAUTH-WG] Re: Invitation: OAuth WG Virtual Inter… Neil Madden
- [OAUTH-WG] Re: Invitation: OAuth WG Virtual Inter… Sam Goto
- [OAUTH-WG] Re: PKCE RFC 7636 and registered URLs Thomas Broyer
- [OAUTH-WG] Re: Invitation: OAuth WG Virtual Inter… Neil Madden
- [OAUTH-WG] Re: PKCE RFC 7636 and registered URLs David Waite