Re: [OAUTH-WG] The verification URL and CAPTCHA responses for username/password profile?

Peter Saint-Andre <stpeter@stpeter.im> Thu, 11 March 2010 19:00 UTC

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Subject: Re: [OAUTH-WG] The verification URL and CAPTCHA responses for username/password profile?
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Agreed.

On 3/9/10 12:26 AM, Tschofenig, Hannes (NSN - FI/Espoo) wrote:
> I agree with your statements below. I would remove the CAPTCHA concept
> from the document. 
> 
> Ciao
> Hannes
> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: oauth-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:oauth-bounces@ietf.org] 
>> On Behalf Of ext David Recordon
>> Sent: 09 March, 2010 06:54
>> To: OAuth WG
>> Subject: [OAUTH-WG] The verification URL and CAPTCHA responses 
>> for username/password profile?
>>
>> I'm spending some time with the spec this evening and am 
>> having a hard time understanding the need for the verification 
>> URL and CAPTCHA responses which are part of the username and 
>> password profile.
>>
>> My criteria for using this profile is that 1) the 
>> authorization server generally trusts the client to 
>> temporarily collect the end-user's username and password and 
>> 2) it is impossible to use one of the other authorization 
>> profiles.  This means that the client cannot interact with or 
>> embed a web browser.  Given that...
>>
>> The client would not be able to send the user to the 
>> verification URL in the response anyway (otherwise they would 
>> have picked the rich app profile). If the client were to 
>> encourage the user to use a nearby computer, then it could use 
>> the upcoming device API which should be based on the Netflix flow.
>>
>> The CAPTCHA response verifies that there is a human, not that 
>> it is the human who the username and password belong to. 
>> Wouldn't bot attacks be mitigated via aggressive rate limiting 
>> techniques which reject authorization requests?  This response 
>> seems to be more complex than the benefit and hasn't been 
>> successfully implemented at scale AFAIK.
>>
>> --David
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