Re: [OAUTH-WG] Future of PoP Work

Mike Jones <Michael.Jones@microsoft.com> Wed, 19 October 2016 19:05 UTC

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From: Mike Jones <Michael.Jones@microsoft.com>
To: Hannes Tschofenig <hannes.tschofenig@gmx.net>, "oauth@ietf.org" <oauth@ietf.org>
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Subject: Re: [OAUTH-WG] Future of PoP Work
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1.  We should continue the PoP work in the OAuth working group and not move it to ACE.  (This was also discussed in the minutes at https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/96/minutes/minutes-96-oauth.)

2.  We should abandon the HTTP signing work.  It is both overly complicated *and* incomplete - not a good combination.  This same combination is what let people to abandon OAuth 1.0 in favor of WRAP and later OAuth 2.0.  We should learn from our own mistakes. ;-)

				-- Mike

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From: OAuth [mailto:oauth-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Hannes Tschofenig
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Subject: [OAUTH-WG] Future of PoP Work

Hi all,

two questions surfaced at the last IETF meeting, namely

1) Do we want to proceed with the symmetric implementation of PoP or, alternatively, do we want to move it over to the ACE working group?

2) Do we want to continue the work on HTTP signing?

We would appreciate your input on these two questions.

Ciao
Hannes & Derek