Re: [OAUTH-WG] Proposal for text for section 2

"Manger, James H" <James.H.Manger@team.telstra.com> Wed, 30 June 2010 00:07 UTC

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From: "Manger, James H" <James.H.Manger@team.telstra.com>
To: Marius Scurtescu <mscurtescu@google.com>
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2010 10:07:34 +1000
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Marius,

>> For instance, why not define a SAML HTTP authentication mechanism:
>>
>>    Authorization: SAML a=<base64url-encoded SAML assertion>

> This came up in another thread, but SAML assertions could be too large
> to be passed through an HTTP header. Other than that, your suggestion
> really simplifies things.

What are the limits on HTTP headers?
I don't think there are any in the HTTP spec.
<http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-httpbis-p1-messaging-09#section-3.2>
A comment in the other thread said SPNEGO headers can be up to 12392 bytes and do not seem to be a problem.
<http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/oauth/current/msg03359.html>

I is hard to support a POST-and-form-only method when there is an alternative that "really simplifies things" without more concrete information on what the actual HTTP limits are (& how hard it is to increase them), and what practical assertion sizes are.

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James Manger