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Yes as one of the Authors and a officer of the OpenID Foundation the =
text was contributed in accordance with the OIDF copyright, allowing =
derivative works.

The OIDF is well aware of this specification and is pleased to =
contribute parts of the connect specification that have broader =
applicability in the OAuth community for inclusion in IETF =
specifications.

John B.

> On Feb 24, 2015, at 8:02 PM, Kathleen Moriarty =
<kathleen.moriarty.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:
>=20
> I was able to get a response, I'm guessing the question got too buried =
in the thread over the past few days.
>=20
> Essentially, it is the contributors responsibility to ensure it's ok =
to include text.  If this was Mike or someone else that believe it is =
fine, then we can proceed.
>=20
> Hannes may need to update the shepherd report and I'll read through =
the updated version tomorrow.  I'll try to get a review out if the =
accompanying management draft tomorrow too.
>=20
> Thanks,
> Kathleen=20
>=20
> Sent from my iPhone
>=20
> On Feb 24, 2015, at 6:47 PM, Mike Jones <Michael.Jones@microsoft.com =
<mailto:Michael.Jones@microsoft.com>> wrote:
>=20
>> Thanks, Kathleen.  This had been discussed on the OAuth list before, =
but just in case you or the IETF legal counsel weren=E2=80=99t aware of =
it =E2=80=93 the reason that it=E2=80=99s OK to produce derivative works =
from OpenID specs, as draft-ietf-oauth-dyn-reg did, is that it=E2=80=99s =
explicitly allowed by the OpenID Foundation.  See this text =
athttp://openid.net/specs/openid-connect-registration-1_0.html#Notices =
<http://openid.net/specs/openid-connect-registration-1_0.html#Notices> =
=E2=80=93 the spec from which text was copied:
>> =20
>> The OpenID Foundation (OIDF) grants to any Contributor, developer, =
implementer, or other interested party a non-exclusive, royalty free, =
worldwide copyright license to reproduce, prepare derivative works from, =
distribute, perform and display, this Implementers Draft or Final =
Specification solely for the purposes of (i) developing specifications, =
and (ii) implementing Implementers Drafts and Final Specifications based =
on such documents, provided that attribution be made to the OIDF as the =
source of the material, but that such attribution does not indicate an =
endorsement by the OIDF.
>> =20
>> You could pass that on to the appropriate IETF legal counsel if =
they=E2=80=99re not already aware of it.
>> =20
>>                                                                 -- =
Mike
>> =20
>> From: OAuth [mailto:oauth-bounces@ietf.org =
<mailto:oauth-bounces@ietf.org>] On Behalf Of Kathleen Moriarty
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 3:08 PM
>> To: Hannes Tschofenig
>> Cc: oauth@ietf.org <mailto:oauth@ietf.org>
>> Subject: Re: [OAUTH-WG] AD review of Draft-ietf-dyn-reg
>> =20
>> Hello,
>> =20
>> Thanks for updating the draft.  I just want to confirm that Hannes is =
okay with the updated definitions and updates the shepherd report to =
reflect that.
>> =20
>> This is getting held up a bit while we sort through copyright of text =
from UMA and OpenID.  The text from UMA went into an IETF draft, so that =
should be the reference as it clears up any possible issues as they =
provided that text in an IETF draft. =20
>> =20
>> The chairs will be helping to sort out the requirements with OpenID, =
per our discussions the IETF trustees.  I'm not sure how long this will =
take, but wanted to provide a status so no one thought this had been =
dropped.
>> =20
>> Thanks.
>> =20
>> On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 12:57 PM, Hannes Tschofenig =
<hannes.tschofenig@gmx.net <mailto:hannes.tschofenig@gmx.net>> wrote:
>> Hi Justin, Hi John,
>>=20
>> I believe that provisioning a client with a unique id (which is what =
a
>> client id/client secret is) allows some form of linkability. While it
>> may be possible to associate the client to a specific user I could =
very
>> well imagine that the correlation between activities from a user and
>> those from the client (particularly when the client is running on the
>> user's device) is quite possible.
>>=20
>> Ciao
>> Hannes
>>=20
>> On 02/18/2015 06:37 PM, Justin Richer wrote:
>> > I=E2=80=99ll incorporate this feedback into another draft, to be =
posted by the
>> > end of the week. Thanks everyone!
>> >
>> >  =E2=80=94 Justin
>> >
>> >> On Feb 18, 2015, at 10:30 AM, Kathleen Moriarty
>> >> <kathleen.moriarty.ietf@gmail.com =
<mailto:kathleen.moriarty.ietf@gmail.com>
>> >> <mailto:kathleen.moriarty.ietf@gmail.com =
<mailto:kathleen.moriarty.ietf@gmail.com>>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 10:07 AM, John Bradley <ve7jtb@ve7jtb.com =
<mailto:ve7jtb@ve7jtb.com>
>> >> <mailto:ve7jtb@ve7jtb.com <mailto:ve7jtb@ve7jtb.com>>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>     snip
>> >>>     On Feb 18, 2015, at 6:46 AM, Kathleen Moriarty
>> >>>     <kathleen.moriarty.ietf@gmail.com =
<mailto:kathleen.moriarty.ietf@gmail.com>
>> >>>     <mailto:kathleen.moriarty.ietf@gmail.com =
<mailto:kathleen.moriarty.ietf@gmail.com>>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>         > The client_id *could* be short lived, but they usually =
aren't. I don't see any particular logging or tracking concerns using a =
dynamic OAuth client above using any other piece of software, ever. As =
such, I don't think it requires special calling out here.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>     Help me understand why there should not be text that shows =
this
>> >>>     is not an issue or please propose some text.  This is bound =
to
>> >>>     come up in IESG reviews if not addressed up front.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>     The client_id is used to communicate to the Authorization =
server
>> >>     to get a code or refresh token.  Those tokens uniquely =
identify
>> >>     the user from a privacy perspective.
>> >>     It is the access tokens that are sent to the RS and those can =
and
>> >>     should be rotated, but the client)id is not sent to the RS in
>> >>     OAuth as part of the spec.
>> >>
>> >>     If you did rotate the client_id then the AS would track it =
across
>> >>     rotations, so it wouldn=E2=80=99t really achieve anything.
>> >>
>> >>     One thing we don=E2=80=99t do is allow the client to specify =
the
>> >>     client_id, that could allow correlation of the client across
>> >>     multiple AS and that might be a privacy issue, but we don=E2=80=99=
t allow it.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Thanks, John.  It may be helpful to add in this explanation unless
>> >> there is some reason not to?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>     John B.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >>
>> >> Best regards,
>> >> Kathleen
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> OAuth mailing list
>> >> OAuth@ietf.org <mailto:OAuth@ietf.org> <mailto:OAuth@ietf.org =
<mailto:OAuth@ietf.org>>
>> >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/oauth =
<https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/oauth>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > OAuth mailing list
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>> > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/oauth =
<https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/oauth>
>> >
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>> =20
>> --=20
>> =20
>> Best regards,
>> Kathleen
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-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" =
class=3D"">Yes as one of the Authors and a officer of the OpenID =
Foundation the text was contributed in accordance with the OIDF =
copyright, allowing derivative works.<div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">The OIDF is well aware of this =
specification and is pleased to contribute parts of the connect =
specification that have broader applicability in the OAuth community for =
inclusion in IETF specifications.</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">John B.</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""><div><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On =
Feb 24, 2015, at 8:02 PM, Kathleen Moriarty &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:kathleen.moriarty.ietf@gmail.com" =
class=3D"">kathleen.moriarty.ietf@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: =
0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=3D"">I was able to get a =
response, I'm guessing the question got too buried in the thread over =
the past few days.</div><div style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: =
12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; =
letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: =
start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; =
font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: =
normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: =
0px;" class=3D"">Essentially, it is the contributors responsibility to =
ensure it's ok to include text. &nbsp;If this was Mike or someone else =
that believe it is fine, then we can proceed.</div><div =
style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: =
0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div=
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font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: =
0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=3D"">Hannes may need to =
update the shepherd report and I'll read through the updated version =
tomorrow. &nbsp;I'll try to get a review out if the accompanying =
management draft tomorrow too.</div><div style=3D"font-family: =
Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; =
font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; =
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none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: =
0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=3D"">Thanks,</div><div =
style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
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0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=3D"">Kathleen&nbsp;<br =
class=3D""><br class=3D"">Sent from my iPhone</div><div =
style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
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text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: =
0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=3D""><br class=3D"">On Feb =
24, 2015, at 6:47 PM, Mike Jones &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:Michael.Jones@microsoft.com" style=3D"color: purple; =
text-decoration: underline;" =
class=3D"">Michael.Jones@microsoft.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><blockquote type=3D"cite" style=3D"font-family: =
Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; =
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-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=3D""><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D"WordSection1" style=3D"page: WordSection1;"><div style=3D"margin:=
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serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D"">Thanks, Kathleen.&nbsp; =
This had been discussed on the OAuth list before, but just in case you =
or the IETF legal counsel weren=E2=80=99t aware of it =E2=80=93 the =
reason that it=E2=80=99s OK to produce derivative works from OpenID =
specs, as draft-ietf-oauth-dyn-reg did, is that it=E2=80=99s explicitly =
allowed by the OpenID Foundation.&nbsp; See this text at<a =
href=3D"http://openid.net/specs/openid-connect-registration-1_0.html#Notic=
es" style=3D"color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" =
class=3D"">http://openid.net/specs/openid-connect-registration-1_0.html#No=
tices</a><span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>=E2=80=93 =
the spec from which text was copied:<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: =
rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D"">&nbsp;</span></div><div style=3D"margin: =
0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; =
font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class=3D"">The OpenID Foundation =
(OIDF) grants to any Contributor, developer, implementer, or other =
interested party a non-exclusive, royalty free, worldwide copyright =
license to reproduce, prepare derivative works from, distribute, perform =
and display, this Implementers Draft or Final Specification solely for =
the purposes of (i) developing specifications, and (ii) implementing =
Implementers Drafts and Final Specifications based on such documents, =
provided that attribution be made to the OIDF as the source of the =
material, but that such attribution does not indicate an endorsement by =
the OIDF.</span><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri, =
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serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D"">You could pass that on =
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;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; -- Mike<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><b =
class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, =
sans-serif;" class=3D"">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; =
font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>OAuth [<a =
href=3D"mailto:oauth-bounces@ietf.org" style=3D"color: purple; =
text-decoration: underline;" =
class=3D"">mailto:oauth-bounces@ietf.org</a>]<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><b class=3D"">On Behalf =
Of<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></b>Kathleen =
Moriarty<br class=3D""><b class=3D"">Sent:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Tuesday, February 24, 2015 =
3:08 PM<br class=3D""><b class=3D"">To:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Hannes Tschofenig<br =
class=3D""><b class=3D"">Cc:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a =
href=3D"mailto:oauth@ietf.org" style=3D"color: purple; text-decoration: =
underline;" class=3D"">oauth@ietf.org</a><br class=3D""><b =
class=3D"">Subject:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Re: [OAUTH-WG] AD review of =
Draft-ietf-dyn-reg<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin:=
 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif;" class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D"">Hello,<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: =
0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif;" class=3D"">Thanks for updating the draft.&nbsp; I just want to =
confirm that Hannes is okay with the updated definitions and updates the =
shepherd report to reflect that.<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: =
0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif;" class=3D"">This is getting held up a bit while we sort through =
copyright of text from UMA and OpenID.&nbsp; The text from UMA went into =
an IETF draft, so that should be the reference as it clears up any =
possible issues as they provided that text in an IETF draft. &nbsp;<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in =
0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D"">The chairs will be helping to sort out =
the requirements with OpenID, per our discussions the IETF =
trustees.&nbsp; I'm not sure how long this will take, but wanted to =
provide a status so no one thought this had been dropped.<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in =
0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D"">Thanks.<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: =
0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif;" class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D"">On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 12:57 PM, Hannes =
Tschofenig &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:hannes.tschofenig@gmx.net" =
target=3D"_blank" style=3D"color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" =
class=3D"">hannes.tschofenig@gmx.net</a>&gt; wrote:<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D"">Hi =
Justin, Hi John,<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">I believe that =
provisioning a client with a unique id (which is what a<br =
class=3D"">client id/client secret is) allows some form of linkability. =
While it<br class=3D"">may be possible to associate the client to a =
specific user I could very<br class=3D"">well imagine that the =
correlation between activities from a user and<br class=3D"">those from =
the client (particularly when the client is running on the<br =
class=3D"">user's device) is quite possible.<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">Ciao<br class=3D"">Hannes<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">On =
02/18/2015 06:37 PM, Justin Richer wrote:<br class=3D"">&gt; I=E2=80=99ll =
incorporate this feedback into another draft, to be posted by the<br =
class=3D"">&gt; end of the week. Thanks everyone!<br class=3D"">&gt;<br =
class=3D"">&gt;&nbsp; =E2=80=94 Justin<br class=3D"">&gt;<br =
class=3D"">&gt;&gt; On Feb 18, 2015, at 10:30 AM, Kathleen Moriarty<br =
class=3D"">&gt;&gt; &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:kathleen.moriarty.ietf@gmail.com" style=3D"color: purple; =
text-decoration: underline;" =
class=3D"">kathleen.moriarty.ietf@gmail.com</a><br class=3D"">&gt;&gt; =
&lt;mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:kathleen.moriarty.ietf@gmail.com" =
style=3D"color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" =
class=3D"">kathleen.moriarty.ietf@gmail.com</a>&gt;&gt; wrote:<br =
class=3D"">&gt;&gt;<br class=3D"">&gt;&gt;<br class=3D"">&gt;&gt;<br =
class=3D"">&gt;&gt; On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 10:07 AM, John Bradley =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ve7jtb@ve7jtb.com" style=3D"color: purple; =
text-decoration: underline;" class=3D"">ve7jtb@ve7jtb.com</a><br =
class=3D"">&gt;&gt; &lt;mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:ve7jtb@ve7jtb.com" =
style=3D"color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" =
class=3D"">ve7jtb@ve7jtb.com</a>&gt;&gt; wrote:<br class=3D"">&gt;&gt;<br =
class=3D"">&gt;&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;snip<br =
class=3D"">&gt;&gt;&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;On Feb 18, 2015, at 6:46 AM, =
Kathleen Moriarty<br class=3D"">&gt;&gt;&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:kathleen.moriarty.ietf@gmail.com" style=3D"color: purple; =
text-decoration: underline;" =
class=3D"">kathleen.moriarty.ietf@gmail.com</a><br =
class=3D"">&gt;&gt;&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&lt;mailto:<a =
href=3D"mailto:kathleen.moriarty.ietf@gmail.com" style=3D"color: purple; =
text-decoration: underline;" =
class=3D"">kathleen.moriarty.ietf@gmail.com</a>&gt;&gt; wrote:<br =
class=3D"">&gt;&gt;&gt;<br class=3D"">&gt;&gt;&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp;&gt; The client_id *could* be short lived, but they usually =
aren't. I don't see any particular logging or tracking concerns using a =
dynamic OAuth client above using any other piece of software, ever. As =
such, I don't think it requires special calling out here.<br =
class=3D"">&gt;&gt;&gt;<br class=3D"">&gt;&gt;&gt;<br =
class=3D"">&gt;&gt;&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Help me understand why there =
should not be text that shows this<br class=3D"">&gt;&gt;&gt;&nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp;is not an issue or please propose some text.&nbsp; This is =
bound to<br class=3D"">&gt;&gt;&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;come up in IESG =
reviews if not addressed up front.<br class=3D"">&gt;&gt;&gt;<br =
class=3D"">&gt;&gt;&gt;<br class=3D"">&gt;&gt;<br =
class=3D"">&gt;&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;The client_id is used to =
communicate to the Authorization server<br class=3D"">&gt;&gt;&nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp;to get a code or refresh token.&nbsp; Those tokens uniquely =
identify<br class=3D"">&gt;&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;the user from a =
privacy perspective.<br class=3D"">&gt;&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;It is the =
access tokens that are sent to the RS and those can and<br =
class=3D"">&gt;&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;should be rotated, but the =
client)id is not sent to the RS in<br class=3D"">&gt;&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp;OAuth as part of the spec.<br class=3D"">&gt;&gt;<br =
class=3D"">&gt;&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;If you did rotate the client_id =
then the AS would track it across<br class=3D"">&gt;&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp;rotations, so it wouldn=E2=80=99t really achieve anything.<br =
class=3D"">&gt;&gt;<br class=3D"">&gt;&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;One thing =
we don=E2=80=99t do is allow the client to specify the<br =
class=3D"">&gt;&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;client_id, that could allow =
correlation of the client across<br class=3D"">&gt;&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp;multiple AS and that might be a privacy issue, but we don=E2=80=99t =
allow it.<br class=3D"">&gt;&gt;<br class=3D"">&gt;&gt;<br =
class=3D"">&gt;&gt; Thanks, John.&nbsp; It may be helpful to add in this =
explanation unless<br class=3D"">&gt;&gt; there is some reason not =
to?<br class=3D"">&gt;&gt;<br class=3D"">&gt;&gt;<br =
class=3D"">&gt;&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;John B.<br class=3D"">&gt;&gt;<br =
class=3D"">&gt;&gt;<br class=3D"">&gt;&gt;<br class=3D"">&gt;&gt;<br =
class=3D"">&gt;&gt; --<br class=3D"">&gt;&gt;<br class=3D"">&gt;&gt; =
Best regards,<br class=3D"">&gt;&gt; Kathleen<br class=3D"">&gt;&gt; =
_______________________________________________<br class=3D"">&gt;&gt; =
OAuth mailing list<br class=3D"">&gt;&gt;<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a =
href=3D"mailto:OAuth@ietf.org" style=3D"color: purple; text-decoration: =
underline;" class=3D"">OAuth@ietf.org</a><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>&lt;mailto:<a =
href=3D"mailto:OAuth@ietf.org" style=3D"color: purple; text-decoration: =
underline;" class=3D"">OAuth@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br class=3D"">&gt;&gt;<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a =
href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/oauth" target=3D"_blank" =
style=3D"color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" =
class=3D"">https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/oauth</a><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div class=3D""><div class=3D""><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 12pt; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;">&gt;<br class=3D"">&gt;<br =
class=3D"">&gt;<br class=3D"">&gt; =
_______________________________________________<br class=3D"">&gt; OAuth =
mailing list<br class=3D"">&gt;<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a =
href=3D"mailto:OAuth@ietf.org" style=3D"color: purple; text-decoration: =
underline;" class=3D"">OAuth@ietf.org</a><br class=3D"">&gt;<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a =
href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/oauth" target=3D"_blank" =
style=3D"color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" =
class=3D"">https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/oauth</a><br =
class=3D"">&gt;<o:p class=3D""></o:p></p></div></div></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><br class=3D""><br clear=3D"all" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" =
class=3D"">--<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div class=3D""><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D"">Best regards,<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in =
0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" =
class=3D"">Kathleen<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><s=
pan style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: =
normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: =
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text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: =
auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; =
display: inline !important;" =
class=3D"">_______________________________________________</span><br =
style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: =
0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: =
0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline =
!important;" class=3D"">OAuth mailing list</span><br style=3D"font-family:=
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font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; =
orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: =
none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family: =
Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; =
font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; =
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none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline =
!important;" class=3D""><a href=3D"mailto:OAuth@ietf.org" =
class=3D"">OAuth@ietf.org</a></span><br style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; =
font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: =
normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; =
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0px;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; =
font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; =
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widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: =
none; display: inline !important;" class=3D""><a =
href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/oauth" =
class=3D"">https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/oauth</a></span></div></b=
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