Re: [OAUTH-WG] Ben Campbell's No Objection on draft-ietf-oauth-native-apps-11: (with COMMENT)

William Denniss <wdenniss@google.com> Fri, 09 June 2017 23:40 UTC

Return-Path: <wdenniss@google.com>
X-Original-To: oauth@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: oauth@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 150CF126C89 for <oauth@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 9 Jun 2017 16:40:46 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -2.7
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=google.com
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PON9PfcQcfql for <oauth@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 9 Jun 2017 16:40:44 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from mail-it0-x22d.google.com (mail-it0-x22d.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c0b::22d]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 795D31200FC for <oauth@ietf.org>; Fri, 9 Jun 2017 16:40:44 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by mail-it0-x22d.google.com with SMTP id m47so4253419iti.0 for <oauth@ietf.org>; Fri, 09 Jun 2017 16:40:44 -0700 (PDT)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=FdSp0dnomx4P7S3dDr6wYl6IY5ijZsnbpNPt5KvYdXE=; b=rU4OX+UIKleTNs4Vk1UR31abjt7IOHTkMhc8NlxC7Abc493Jx5BQWAtnl9HUusYFZl Hsdj20zQm5nMxWXJhXDf6e2hRA73g8rU/Gmrvxe2Ta5Zial2sJZarO7Iw7oXbcv4lkG6 cy/yURVHrMHvJWyhdM9+AwBMzNaNYPMHbwAE4PNr/EKOzym+BG9xlq3dWQ1CfU/3MYOx ClTUaRcjwIhAm4+/ktfdbTQkiswjdtExZPbNzisGalLmyks8+lX67jcj6HGmkdOKAMEf lDSfy98wig5TXHoXJ7rNbQ90gFK13md4aicaT/IQvfNKE3us83E093yBfgsXliy5AKT9 7MvA==
X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=FdSp0dnomx4P7S3dDr6wYl6IY5ijZsnbpNPt5KvYdXE=; b=bJXJp0KoS+0Br6mOz9mfvDJkEW7wXkhnmn80I67VLFNco9Q4VpRDYMDiWnrPO2k6u9 4CiLgANjZ+6BBqhScrhUexqnbdvDFGfxq4b69IZXStcabVd1uOu++tXVR7G7uqJCS15v 6Z84/cZWmTybmnVCqaIK0zOc1mANlDlzNxhXYvV6iPkCfntOWW0f0zuuhy5XG2zu4Doh mEbimJweXsNRdWj164GJtYzLOjzObhVa3/FbcC6ycTYrvBj512sireOQaQjUK8ZmOWpk QeRrVBrheLxtKIShaYMb/Z6ULe+sawCu0JFVonDH242k/8/U4a2diKkpcHDxZ8uyX/XI AbTA==
X-Gm-Message-State: AKS2vOwSSZeDaRrEHRcqs599V7Hmwo6MCMLuTv7cZGSwPOnkjSyrLNIS Nd/IzTtRQVRga2XjrH+OQiiHXxkOOpgf
X-Received: by 10.107.5.76 with SMTP id 73mr2856579iof.182.1497051639128; Fri, 09 Jun 2017 16:40:39 -0700 (PDT)
MIME-Version: 1.0
Received: by 10.79.41.1 with HTTP; Fri, 9 Jun 2017 16:40:18 -0700 (PDT)
In-Reply-To: <149557608311.28484.15294343372018912184.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com>
References: <149557608311.28484.15294343372018912184.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com>
From: William Denniss <wdenniss@google.com>
Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2017 16:40:18 -0700
Message-ID: <CAAP42hCzYMQ2-FaoPygWUB9p-Oa-E6v=qzHDucw6bR6mJyb+4w@mail.gmail.com>
To: Ben Campbell <ben@nostrum.com>
Cc: The IESG <iesg@ietf.org>, draft-ietf-oauth-native-apps@ietf.org, Hannes Tschofenig <Hannes.Tschofenig@gmx.net>, oauth-chairs@ietf.org, "oauth@ietf.org" <oauth@ietf.org>
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a113ef74829966905518f7f65"
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/oauth/w_gdXZFcD2P3M3Hyr8TlCFZmTzg>
Subject: Re: [OAUTH-WG] Ben Campbell's No Objection on draft-ietf-oauth-native-apps-11: (with COMMENT)
X-BeenThere: oauth@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22
Precedence: list
List-Id: OAUTH WG <oauth.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/oauth>, <mailto:oauth-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/oauth/>
List-Post: <mailto:oauth@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:oauth-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/oauth>, <mailto:oauth-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2017 23:40:46 -0000

Thank you for your review.

We've reworked section 8.7 to move the focus away from the user regarding
mitigations for apps that fake external user-agents.

On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 2:48 PM, Ben Campbell <ben@nostrum.com> wrote:

> Ben Campbell has entered the following ballot position for
> draft-ietf-oauth-native-apps-11: No Objection
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> COMMENT:
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> I agree with Adam's general sentiment about detection of bad behavior vs
> asking people not to be bad.
>
> -8 and it's children: There seems to be a lot of duplication (including
> duplication of normative language) between the security considerations
> and the rest of the document.
>
> - 8.7: This section seems to argue against using in-app browser tabs in
> the first place. If there is no good way for the user to tell the
> difference between that and an imbedded UA, then maybe we should train
> users to be suspicious of any in-app presentation of the authorization
> request? The last paragraph seems to be founded on a mismatch between
> user needs and typical user sophistication.
>
>
>
Re-worked this section a lot with a focus on actionable steps that
authorization servers and app stores can take.  Also covers some "detection
of bad behavior".