Re: [ogpx] Protocol for permitting policy decisions
Magnus Zeisig <magnus.zeisig@iis.se> Thu, 08 October 2009 12:37 UTC
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From: Magnus Zeisig <magnus.zeisig@iis.se>
To: Carlo Wood <carlo@alinoe.com>, Meadhbh Hamrick <meadhbh.siobhan@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [ogpx] Protocol for permitting policy decisions
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 Heh, don't worry about finding out regulations about adult material is the same all over the world. I've been at that can of worms myself, and there are places where it's regulated or not, different ages, from 13 (the lowest age I know of) to forbidden for "adults" as well, different definitions of what's included and not, different type distinctions and degrees permissible. Some places support law suits against publishers in other places even if it's perfectly legal at the publisher's home location, and so on. But you are quite right in that we shouldn't stare ourselves blind at special cases like adult content, but find general mechanisms to handle policy negotiation in the VWRAP protocol. The actual policy decisions should, as stated many times before, be outside the protocol. I think some important questions in that respect may be if such mechanisms 1. need to be different from exchanging other information? 2. require any special support for exchanging credentials like e.g. electronic signatures? 3. need to serve also services other than AD and RD? 4. require any special infrastructure like separate DTDs, machine readable policy documents or the like? 5. should facilitate automatic setup of trust domains? Best regards, Magnus - -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Från: Carlo Wood [mailto:carlo@alinoe.com] Skickat: den 8 oktober 2009 13:45 Till: Meadhbh Hamrick Kopia: Magnus Zeisig; Infinity Linden; ogpx-bounces@ietf.org; ogpx@ietf.org Ämne: Re: [ogpx] Protocol for permitting policy decisions On Wed, Oct 07, 2009 at 02:07:58PM -0700, Meadhbh Hamrick wrote: > anyway. just a though. i'm going to spend a little time trying to > understand a couple different country's regulations for online access > to adult materials by minors, just to get a sense for where the > differences would lie. Although admirable, this is just an EXAMPLE. We should look at it, and SOLVE it, in an abstract way; so that we will tackle every possible policy problem like it without that we have to think of an exhausted list now. Ie, if your investigation would show that every country in the world handles online access to adult materials by minors in the exact same way, than that doesn't make the abstract problem go away, we'd just have to think of another example to tackle the exact same problem. - -- Carlo Wood <carlo@alinoe.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 9.8.3 (Build 4028) Charset: utf-8 wsBVAwUBSs3dfu5MlU9XyaiSAQiC1gf+N764orrSEGffqq5YE2GE3x2ocbMphHlN uHfEbiKTOZJj1Q+ABmrsKmCB5ixg3BUY9j169AjsQofVBg1HBpgf8qxRSpdXNQ+d +NzL95c6/dAceW90vtRw8MY8Xtrsd1YV3vIm/rmAH/KPjR3JEpRVatzhztCgzh7m u7kq8TAZpV4K2p4P0BOUXQ0ETWoE1nEN5N/8lMYx4oXVR5nsnGX2fbN8fK4tuxrr rv1K/SMFOY9nJMojZWgkY+1Wk8mR1W2Co9zAKRZ6bWTR264u15kx/ewzJUf58/qE zqzVOLdvV8RbP1wDKBBMxwFcG6rmIDDJicoB3sOumw/C2GB28+CMgA== =J0qU -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
- [ogpx] Protocol for permitting policy decisions Magnus Zeisig
- Re: [ogpx] Protocol for permitting policy decisio… Dickson, Mike (ISS Software)
- Re: [ogpx] Protocol for permitting policy decisio… Meadhbh Siobhan
- Re: [ogpx] Protocol for permitting policy decisio… Dickson, Mike (ISS Software)
- Re: [ogpx] Protocol for permitting policy decisio… Morgaine
- Re: [ogpx] Protocol for permitting policy decisio… Morgaine
- Re: [ogpx] Protocol for permitting policy decisio… Dickson, Mike (ISS Software)
- Re: [ogpx] Protocol for permitting policy decisio… Infinity Linden
- Re: [ogpx] Protocol for permitting policy decisio… Infinity Linden
- Re: [ogpx] Protocol for permitting policy decisio… Infinity Linden
- Re: [ogpx] Protocol for permitting policy decisio… David W Levine
- Re: [ogpx] Protocol for permitting policy decisio… David W Levine
- Re: [ogpx] Protocol for permitting policy decisio… Infinity Linden
- Re: [ogpx] Protocol for permitting policy decisio… Infinity Linden
- Re: [ogpx] Protocol for permitting policy decisio… Magnus Zeisig
- Re: [ogpx] Protocol for permitting policy decisio… Carlo Wood
- Re: [ogpx] Protocol for permitting policy decisio… Carlo Wood
- Re: [ogpx] Protocol for permitting policy decisio… David W Levine
- Re: [ogpx] Protocol for permitting policy decisio… Vaughn Deluca
- Re: [ogpx] Protocol for permitting policy decisio… Carlo Wood
- Re: [ogpx] Protocol for permitting policy decisio… Vaughn Deluca
- Re: [ogpx] Protocol for permitting policy decisio… Carlo Wood
- Re: [ogpx] Protocol for permitting policy decisio… Carlo Wood
- Re: [ogpx] Protocol for permitting policy decisio… Meadhbh Hamrick
- Re: [ogpx] Protocol for permitting policy decisio… Meadhbh Hamrick
- Re: [ogpx] Protocol for permitting policy decisio… Morgaine
- Re: [ogpx] Protocol for permitting policy decisio… Joshua Bell
- Re: [ogpx] Protocol for permitting policy decisio… Meadhbh Hamrick
- Re: [ogpx] Protocol for permitting policy decisio… Dickson, Mike (ISS Software)
- Re: [ogpx] Protocol for permitting policy decisio… Morgaine
- Re: [ogpx] Protocol for permitting policy decisio… Meadhbh Hamrick
- Re: [ogpx] Protocol for permitting policy decisio… Magnus Zeisig
- Re: [ogpx] Protocol for permitting policy decisio… Morgaine
- Re: [ogpx] Protocol for permitting policy decisio… Magnus Zeisig
- [ogpx] VWRAP future (mostly out of protocol rambl… Magnus Zeisig
- Re: [ogpx] Protocol for permitting policy decisio… Carlo Wood
- Re: [ogpx] Protocol for permitting policy decisio… Morgaine
- Re: [ogpx] Protocol for permitting policy decisio… Magnus Zeisig
- Re: [ogpx] Protocol for permitting policy decisio… David W Levine
- Re: [ogpx] Protocol for permitting policy decisio… Magnus Zeisig
- Re: [ogpx] Protocol for permitting policy decisio… Carlo Wood
- Re: [ogpx] Protocol for permitting policy decisio… Joshua Bell
- Re: [ogpx] Protocol for permitting policy decisio… Infinity Linden (Meadhbh Hamrick)
- Re: [ogpx] Protocol for permitting policy decisio… David W Levine
- Re: [ogpx] Protocol for permitting policy decisio… David W Levine
- Re: [ogpx] Protocol for permitting policy decisio… Carlo Wood
- Re: [ogpx] Protocol for permitting policy decisio… Carlo Wood
- Re: [ogpx] Protocol for permitting policy decisio… Carlo Wood
- Re: [ogpx] Protocol for permitting policy decisio… Dickson, Mike (ISS Software)
- Re: [ogpx] Protocol for permitting policy decisio… Morgaine
- Re: [ogpx] Protocol for permitting policy decisio… Morgaine
- Re: [ogpx] Protocol for permitting policy decisio… David W Levine
- Re: [ogpx] Protocol for permitting policy decisio… Morgaine
- Re: [ogpx] Protocol for permitting policy decisio… Morgaine
- Re: [ogpx] Protocol for permitting policy decisio… Vaughn Deluca
- Re: [ogpx] Protocol for permitting policy decisio… Magnus Zeisig
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP future (mostly out of protocol r… Vaughn Deluca
- Re: [ogpx] Protocol for permitting policy decisio… Infinity Linden (Meadhbh Hamrick)
- Re: [ogpx] Protocol for permitting policy decisio… Morgaine
- Re: [ogpx] Protocol for permitting policy decisio… Vaughn Deluca
- Re: [ogpx] Protocol for permitting policy decisio… Carlo Wood
- Re: [ogpx] Protocol for permitting policy decisio… David W Levine
- Re: [ogpx] Protocol for permitting policy decisio… Morgaine
- Re: [ogpx] Protocol for permitting policy decisio… Vaughn Deluca