Re: [ogpx] Protocol for permitting policy decisions

Magnus Zeisig <magnus.zeisig@iis.se> Thu, 08 October 2009 12:37 UTC

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From: Magnus Zeisig <magnus.zeisig@iis.se>
To: Carlo Wood <carlo@alinoe.com>, Meadhbh Hamrick <meadhbh.siobhan@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [ogpx] Protocol for permitting policy decisions
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Heh, don't worry about finding out regulations about adult material is the same all over the world. I've been at that can of worms myself, and there are places where it's regulated or not, different ages, from 13 (the lowest age I know of) to forbidden for "adults" as well, different definitions of what's included and not, different type distinctions and degrees permissible. Some places support law suits against publishers in other places even if it's perfectly legal at the publisher's home location, and so on.

But you are quite right in that we shouldn't stare ourselves blind at special cases like adult content, but find general mechanisms to handle policy negotiation in the VWRAP protocol. The actual policy decisions should, as stated many times before, be outside the protocol. I think some important questions in that respect may be if such mechanisms
1. need to be different from exchanging other information?
2. require any special support for exchanging credentials like e.g. electronic signatures?
3. need to serve also services other than AD and RD?
4. require any special infrastructure like separate DTDs, machine readable policy documents or the like?
5. should facilitate automatic setup of trust domains?

Best regards,

Magnus


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Från: Carlo Wood [mailto:carlo@alinoe.com]
Skickat: den 8 oktober 2009 13:45
Till: Meadhbh Hamrick
Kopia: Magnus Zeisig; Infinity Linden; ogpx-bounces@ietf.org; ogpx@ietf.org
Ämne: Re: [ogpx] Protocol for permitting policy decisions

On Wed, Oct 07, 2009 at 02:07:58PM -0700, Meadhbh Hamrick wrote:
> anyway. just a though. i'm going to spend a little time trying to
> understand a couple different country's regulations for online access
> to adult materials by minors, just to get a sense for where the
> differences would lie.

Although admirable, this is just an EXAMPLE. We should look at it,
and SOLVE it, in an abstract way; so that we will tackle every
possible policy problem like it without that we have to think of
an exhausted list now.

Ie, if your investigation would show that every country in the
world handles online access to adult materials by minors in the
exact same way, than that doesn't make the abstract problem go
away, we'd just have to think of another example to tackle the
exact same problem.

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Carlo Wood <carlo@alinoe.com>

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