Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter: 2009 08 28 revision
Meadhbh Siobhan <meadhbh.siobhan@gmail.com> Sun, 30 August 2009 17:13 UTC
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Subject: Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter: 2009 08 28 revision
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On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 7:41 AM, Dave CROCKER<dhc@dcrocker.net> wrote: > > > Carlo Wood wrote: >> >> I think that using "a virtual world" >> is less confusing, and I'd rewrite the above paragraph as follows: >> >> Adjacent locations in a virtual world accessible by this protocol may >> be explicitly partitioned into "regions" to facilitate the >> computational and communication load balancing required to simulate >> the virtual environment. Such a virtual world may consist of regions >> administered by distinct organizations. Though virtual worlds >> may be partitioned, they remain "un-sharded;" all inhabitants and >> objects in a particular location in a virtual world may initiate >> interaction with all other inhabitants and objects in that location; >> and service endpoint addresses refer to at most one location. The >> state of a virtual world is independent of the client applications >> that access it and may persist between user sessions. > > This reads well, with two exceptions: > > > Minor: > Though virtual worlds may be partitioned > -> > Though a virtual world may be partitioned > > hmm... i thought we had changed that to "Though these virtual worlds may be partitioned" > Substantial: > > The meaning and import of "un-sharded" is missing. From the last time I > asked about this, I gather the term is familiar in VW circles, but it sure > isn't > in the IETF or, I believe, anywhere outside /some/ database and /some/ or > all VW > environs. > the text reads: "Though these virtual worlds may be partitioned, they remain "un-sharded;" all inhabitants and objects in a particular location in a virtual world may initiate interaction with all other inhabitants and objects in that location; and, service endpoint addresses refer to at most one location." the clause after "they remain un-sharded" is the definition we use for sharded worlds. we could change this to: "Though { these virtual worlds | a virtual world } may be partitioned, they remain "un-sharded;" that is, all inhabitants and objects in a particular location in a virtual world may initiate interaction with all other inhabitants and objects in that location; and, service endpoint addresses refer to at most one location." > Note that the language, here, is saying that it is /not/ sharded. > Jumping into a negative reference like this suggests that sharding is to be > expected. Is it? Why? Is reference to sharding essential for the charter? > Why? we introduce the relationship between VWRAP region partitioning to sharding, because sharding is well understood with a wider audience than region partitioning. the intent is to further define region partitioning. > > So, this reduces down to two different issues. One is a concept and the > other is a vocabulary term. If the concept is essential, what's some terse > text that makes sense for the charter? If the term is essential, marry it > to that terse text. > > d/ > > -- > > Dave Crocker > Brandenburg InternetWorking > bbiw.net > > _______________________________________________ > ogpx mailing list > ogpx@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ogpx >
- [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter: 2009 08 28 revision Infinity Linden
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter: 2009 08 28 revisi… Joshua Bell
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter: 2009 08 28 revisi… Infinity Linden
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter: 2009 08 28 revisi… Morgaine
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter: 2009 08 28 revisi… Morgaine
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter: 2009 08 28 revisi… Meadhbh Siobhan
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter: 2009 08 28 revisi… Morgaine
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter: 2009 08 28 revisi… Carlo Wood
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter: 2009 08 28 revisi… Meadhbh Siobhan
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter: 2009 08 28 revisi… Morgaine
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter: 2009 08 28 revisi… Kari Lippert
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter: 2009 08 28 revisi… Carlo Wood
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter: 2009 08 28 revisi… Carlo Wood
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter: 2009 08 28 revisi… Carlo Wood
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter: 2009 08 28 revisi… Kari Lippert
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter: 2009 08 28 revisi… Morgaine
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter: 2009 08 28 revisi… Dave CROCKER
- [ogpx] one virtual world, or many? Dave CROCKER
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter: 2009 08 28 revisi… Meadhbh Siobhan
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter: 2009 08 28 revisi… Meadhbh Siobhan
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter: 2009 08 28 revisi… Meadhbh Siobhan
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter: 2009 08 28 revisi… Dave CROCKER
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter: 2009 08 28 revisi… Morgaine
- Re: [ogpx] one virtual world, or many? Kari Lippert
- Re: [ogpx] one virtual world, or many? Meadhbh Siobhan
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter: 2009 08 28 revisi… Kari Lippert
- Re: [ogpx] one virtual world, or many? Meadhbh Siobhan
- Re: [ogpx] one virtual world, or many? Kari Lippert
- Re: [ogpx] one virtual world, or many? Kari Lippert
- Re: [ogpx] one virtual world, or many? Meadhbh Siobhan
- Re: [ogpx] one virtual world, or many? Meadhbh Siobhan
- Re: [ogpx] one virtual world, or many? Kari Lippert
- Re: [ogpx] one virtual world, or many? Meadhbh Siobhan
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter: 2009 08 28 revisi… Carlo Wood
- Re: [ogpx] one virtual world, or many? Carlo Wood
- Re: [ogpx] one virtual world, or many? Charles Krinke
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter: 2009 08 28 revisi… Morgaine
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter: 2009 08 28 revisi… Kari Lippert
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter: 2009 08 28 revisi… Carlo Wood
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter: 2009 08 28 revisi… Kari Lippert
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter: 2009 08 28 revisi… Morgaine
- Re: [ogpx] one virtual world, or many? Dave CROCKER
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter: 2009 08 28 revisi… Joshua Bell
- Re: [ogpx] one virtual world, or many? Joshua Bell
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter: 2009 08 28 revisi… Carlo Wood
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter: 2009 08 28 revisi… Meadhbh Siobhan
- Re: [ogpx] one virtual world, or many? Meadhbh Siobhan
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter: 2009 08 28 revisi… Suzy Deffeyes
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter: 2009 08 28 revisi… Dan Olivares
- Re: [ogpx] one virtual world, or many? Charles Krinke
- Re: [ogpx] one virtual world, or many? Infinity Linden
- Re: [ogpx] one virtual world, or many? Infinity Linden
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter: 2009 08 28 revisi… Morgaine
- Re: [ogpx] one virtual world, or many? Joshua Bell
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter: 2009 08 28 revisi… Suzy Deffeyes
- Re: [ogpx] VWRAP Draft Charter: 2009 08 28 revisi… Morgaine