Re: [ogpx] VWRAP working group charter update

In terms of the original question. 

If there is sufficient real work to be advanced, I can be at Hiroshima. 
Given
the expense and sunk time, I'd be looking for real documents to present
and discuss, and some reason to think that we'd actually have folks from
the Asia/Pacific region who were wiling to invest time in reading what's
in the document pile and offering serious feedback and discussion. 

- David / Zha 

ogpx-bounces@ietf.org wrote on 09/24/2009 07:12:03 PM:

> Barry Leiba <barryleiba.mailing.lists@gmail.com> 
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> On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 6:58 PM, Carlo Wood <carlo@alinoe.com> wrote:
> > But, apart from that I cannot afford to (and also not for other 
reasons)
> > participate in real life meetings (outside my city and/or starting 
before
> > 1 pm); I don't understand why this can't be done online... only 
knowledge
> > and data needs to be exchanged. Why is a real life meeting necessary?
> 
> To be clear:
> IETF process specifies that official work is done on the mailing list,
> and so anything that's "decided" at a face-to-face meeting, on a
> conference call, or over any other means (IM or VW, for example) must
> be re-confirmed on the mailing list.
> 
> It is NOT necessary for anyone to travel to the meetings in order to
> participate.
> 
> That said, the IETF holds three face-to-face meetings each year (and
> some working groups hold interim working-group meetings; I doubt this
> group will do that).  These meetings allow for a great deal of
> high-bandwidth interaction and discussion, and usually enable us to
> get a lot of work done that would be more difficult or more protracted
> without the opportunity to get people into a room together.  We find
> that people get a lot out of attending in person.
> 
> Assuming it's chartered, the VRAP working group WILL be meeting at the
> face-to-face IETF meetings -- at least at most of them.  The question
> is whether we should try to meet in Hiroshima, given how soon it is.
> But I'll repeat: whether or not we meet in Hiroshima, and whether or
> not you (meaning any participant) attend ANY of the face-to-face
> meetings, have no effect on your participation in the working group.
> You become a full participant merely by participating here, on the
> mailing list.
> 
> Barry (long-time IETF participant, working-group chair, and former IAB 
member)
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